Thursday, September 16, 2010

Kenya, 1987

I'm not blogging today, so I'd like to direct you to a very useful post by Claudia Jean listing a large number of quotes from ancient and modern worthies on the Taiwan-China relationship......
China and the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) keep telling the whole world that Taiwan has always belonged to China. The Chinese government never gets tired of reiterating that Taiwan, like Tibet, is an ‘inalienable/inseparable part of the motherland’. Even though most people would agree that self-determination is the highest principle and that ‘historical links’ cannot justify China’s claim over someone else’s country, it is still important to look into historical documents from the ancient and the contemporary China to see if the evidence supports or contradicts China’s claim. I will start with some historical records, following the chronological order. The translation of the title of those historical documents is tentative as I cannot be certain whether official translation has been established for them.
Go and read every quote....
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Anonymous said...

In order to prove her point... she quotes extensively from a historical journal written by appointed Qing officials of the first Chinese government in Taiwan.

And yes, these officials do say what you'd expect: "before we came here, this unpopulated island was not considered part of China."

I have no idea what she's trying to say, but it's an epic fail.

Don said...

Nice try, anonymous 6.46, but you're either lying or you haven't read the post.

The quotes are from diverse sources and show Manchu emperors and officials stating explicitly, over and over, something that was clearly self evident at the time: that Taiwan was not historically part of "Zhong-guo".

Precisely the point that Claudia Jean was making.

What's more, reading between the lines it appears those emperors and officials didn't actually regard Taiwan as part of "Zhong-guo" in their own day, only as a territory that had been affixed to the Great Manchu Empire.

Remember, anonymous 6.46: we wouldn't be peering back into the past like this in the first place if Nationalists and Communists didn't insist on dragooning history into the argument to support their predatory, immoral, totally manufactured co-claim over the territory and people of modern Taiwan.

Eric Pickett said...

Michael, is this actually a picture of you from your stint in Africa back in the day? And if so, doesn't this prove, just like Dinesh D'Souza and Newt Gingrich have proven about Obama, that you are, in fact, a "secret Kenyan anti-colonialist"???

I'm not even sure what that means, but it must be bad and somehow covertly anti-American.

Michael Turton said...

I'm more of an adopted Kenyan anti-colonialist. I even had Muslim students back in the day....

Anonymous said...

Hi Michael! I thought the picture was that of former President Chen Shui Bian!

The smile, the hand shake... hey maybe I need to see a pretty optometrist!