+++++++++++++++++
A few quick observations in response to Kirk and Hans. There's no question that the new system really hurt the DPP in terms of seats, but to say that this doesn't matter, and they're still in okay shape overall, does not sound right to me. For these reasons:
[Yup. The DPP is in deep doo doo]
1. The DPP really didn't increase its vote share much at all. This election was similar to EVERY other election the DPP has competed in, save one (the presidential in 2004). They just can't seem to break that 40% barrier. The percentages go up and down marginally, but they are really stuck at about 40%. This makes 2004 look more and more like a fluke, and not an indicator of a trend.
[Yup. 2004 is an anomaly. And the DPP numbers are a structural feature.]
2. Eight years ago, when CSB got 39% of the vote, people were genuinely afraid to vote for the DPP -- many feared the PRC would do something extreme if Chen was elected. But the sky didn't fall after all, so voting for the DPP should be getting easier. But the party vote this time was not quite 37%. So given a chance to endorse the DPP, fewer people were willing to do it in 2008 than in 2000. This is really bad for the DPP: Despite their (and CSB's) frantic exertions over the past 7 years, they have made no progress in expanding their share of the electorate.
[Alas, Dr. Rigger is confused here. National and local elections cannot be compared -- in 2000 CSB garnered 4.97 million votes, in the recent LY election, the DPP got 3.6 million. Those were two very different levels of "40%"]
3. The DPP lost districts it shouldn't have lost. They were at or close to 50% of the vote in about 25 of the new districts in the past three elections; they should have won those under the new system, but they got only half of them (13). This is another very bad sign for the DPP. It's losing in places it should win. The same thing happened in the municipal elections in 2005. Also, where they did win the margins were narrow.
[It's not surprising, actually, that they lost in Kaohsiung. People think that the south is automatically DPP territory, but the Kaohsiung mayor and city council elections are always split.]
4. The DPP may not have lost a lot of votes, but the KMT gained a lot. They got 51% of the party vote -- that's the strongest endorsement they've had in years. The PFP is dead as a doornail, as is the New Party. Humpty Dumpty has been put back together again. Yes, there are cracks. Not everybody loves everybody. But compared to a year ago, the KMT is way, way stronger.
[The KMT did gain a lot -- by swallowing the PFP and gathering all the Blue votes unto itself, as I noted already.]
5. Although there are divisions in the KMT, the DPP is even more divided. The party primaries were extremely damaging, mainly because the other factions -- including Frank Hsieh's -- declared war on the New Tide faction. There was extreme ugliness -- eleven long-time party activists were declared "traitors" and "friends of China" -- and the victims blame Hsieh, among others. I am pretty convinced he's not going to win them back between now and March. I think calling them "pro-China" crossed a line. Without the enthusiastic support of New Tide activists, Hsieh is in trouble. It's true that they don't want Ma to win, but how hard are they going to work? Everyone is already exhausted ...
[Yup.]
6. The KMT is likely doing much better than the DPP is for funds -- and not because of party assets, which is really a red herring at this point. The KMT clearly was spending more in the LY campaign, and with the momentum in its direction, the money is going to pour in. The business community has to be able to taste victory at this point.
[Yup.]
7. The pitiful performance of the referendums suggest that voters know they're being gamed on that, and they don't want to play. The UN referendums might be different, but they very well might not. If the DPP referendum loses, that's another big setback. My conversations in Taipei, Taichung and Kaohsiung last week make me think there's a lot of panic around that possibility.
[The referendums will certainly lose.]
8. I see no reason to assume that any particular group of voters turned out at a low rate. What is the evidence that it was the "light greens" who didn't vote, and what is the evidence that they WILL turn out in March? The DPP is spinning it that way (there will be another 20% turnout, and it'll break our way), but I think that's pure wishful thinking. If Hans has evidence, I'd like to see it. I didn't see any, and the logic doesn't make much sense to me. Why would people be more excited about Hsieh than about their local legislative candidates? And why would KMT voters be MORE excited about legislative candidates than Ma? If anything, I'd guess the light blues didn't turn out. When they do, they're going to vote for Ma. And as for the local factions: They have to be thinking that if Ma wins, given the KMT's LY majority, trough will be overflowing with swill. If Ma loses, not so much.
[Exactly what I said. Can anyone name the evidence for who didn't turn out and who did? UPDATED: One thing Rigger is massively wrong here on is the legislative and national elections. "Why would people be more excited about Hsieh than their local legislative candidates?" The answer is that people are, as shown in the numbers, that DPP voters are far more willing to come out nationally than locally. Further, many who vote Blue locally vote Green nationally. Voters treat the elections as different.]
9. So, I'm not counting Hsieh out -- he does have one good argument (don't let the KMT have total control over everything), and the KMT could stumble. But I think the situation looks very grim for Hsieh and for the DPP.
+++++++++++++++
[Taiwan] [KMT] [DPP]
6 comments:
.
.
.
But I think the situation looks very grim for Hsieh and for the DPP.
Why stop short? The situation looks very grim for Hsieh, the DPP AND for a free, just, democratic and independent Taiwan.
"Freedom is on the march!"
- George W. Bush, (Appointed) President of the United States of America
.
.
.
The 40% structural ceiling is something that DPP needs to work on overcome on a long term basis. I think DPP already won the battle on public opinion on independence so it's going to have to focus on the future. It's time for DPP to come up with a 'northern strategy' (like Nixon's southern strategy) that will appeal to voters that doesn't have any ties to KMT's patronage network. They need to change the language of political discourse in Taiwan like they did with independence a decade ago. What wedge issue will work in Taiwan? I don’t know… but DPP can’t run every election in the future like it is 2000 again. They need to find a way to divorce the light blue votes from KMT like Nixon did with southern whites. It's going to be a long term project and something that will only bear fruit in 15 years.
Hi Michael, it's been a while since I dropped you a line on your blog ... kind of missing commenting on Taiwan & its politics. Still reading your blog but haven't really had time to keep informed enough on goings on to keep my blog going.
Anyway, one point I would raise with you:
[Yup. 2004 is an anomaly. And the DPP numbers are a structural feature.]
You've mentioned this a few times about the legislative elections (although I know Shelly Rigger was talking about the presidential election) and it doesn't really ring true for me. Back in 2004, the general consensus was how the DPP/TSU blew the election big-time, and performed *much worse* than expected. I can remember the last month of campaigning the DPP completely lost the plot trying to provoke China (who stayed silent) and lost the moderate vote (who'd spent most of the year being alienated by the KMT post-presidential wingeing).
In fact, I remember a certain Chen Shui-bian resigning as DPP Chairman to take the blame for the DPPs poor performance (plus ca change, huh?). So to paint that election as one where the DPP did anomalously well seems a bit strange to me.
My purely subjective feeling is that the fundamentals aren't so disastrous for the DPP: one perspective is to consider the trend in presidential elections (1996, 2000, 2004 - roughly 30%,40%,50%) and ask why that isn't reflected in the legislative elections. One reason is that the DPP outperformed in 2001, performed badly in 2004 and performed terribly in 2007. Get it right, and the voter base is there ...
Anyway, hope things (elections aside) are going well with you. Maybe I'll have time to resurrect http://jujuflop.yule.org/ at some time in the future, but failing that i'll be reading (and maybe commenting) on your blog!
Cheers, David.
Back in 2004, the general consensus was how the DPP/TSU blew the election big-time, and performed *much worse* than expected
Yes, but that's not because they failed to get out the vote, but because they split up their vote among too many candidates. Again, somewhere around 3.6-7 million appears to be the ceiling at the moment for LY elections.
Man it's great to see you here.
Michael
One reason is that the DPP outperformed in 2001, performed badly in 2004 and performed terribly in 2007. Get it right, and the voter base is there ...
No, the voter base is always the same size -- that's the problem. In 2001 the base jumped from 2.9 to 3.4 million, and it's been there ever since. The situation is even worse in the local city council elections. The DPP made gains last time, but even fewer people come out for it.
With the KMT's networks, it can always mobilize more voters than the DPP where it really counts, at the local level. The real DPP error was the lack of massive local level presence. But that requires funding levels it just doesn't have.
Michael
5. Although there are divisions in the KMT, the DPP is even more divided.
Hsieh is taking steps to repair this problem. He's invited two of the "bandits" into the central committee and his campaign (and at least one was New Tide faction); I know Hsiao Bi-khim is working pretty hard despite the poor treatment she got; and Hsieh is making visits to people including the New Party and red-shirt affiliated Home Party, as impossible as it is they'll support him.
Everyone is already exhausted ...
This is the bigger problem. Party activists, campaigners and voters alike are exhausted and demoralized.
The KMT is likely doing much better than the DPP is for funds -- and not because of party assets, which is really a red herring at this point.
What? The DPP was outspent 5:1 and as far as I know, the KMT didn't get much in the way of donations. The funds must have come entirely from party assets.
The business community has to be able to taste [KMT] victory at this point [so the money is going to be pouring in].
OK, that makes more sense.
The pitiful performance of the referendums suggest that voters know they're being gamed on that, and they don't want to play.
A lot of people I met didn't even know what the referendum topics were going to be this time around. They thought they were the UN issues. And the 統派 media did their best to portray the referendums as useless and meaningless.
The only direct complaint I heard about the referendums was they are looking to the past, not the future.
What is the evidence that it was the "light greens" who didn't vote, and what is the evidence that they WILL turn out in March?The DPP is spinning it that way (there will be another 20% turnout, and it'll break our way), but I think that's pure wishful thinking.
I'm afraid so. Hsieh has to convince neutrals and legislative blue-leaners to vote for him.
But I think the situation looks very grim for Hsieh and for the DPP.
We're gonna need everything we can get. And it might not be enough.
Post a Comment