"If Taiwan were truly Ma's homeland as he claims, then why doesn't the word `Taiwan' appear on his father's urn? Instead, the inscription only mentions building a greater China," Chen said.Note that the KMT assigns the riposte to Siew, who is a Taiwanese. This permits the Great Man (Ma) to maintain dignity by being above the fray, while his underlings strike back on his behalf -- the same dynamic at work in Hu Jin-tao's
Chen said the inscription on Ma Ho-ling's (馬鶴凌) urn said: "Replace independence with gradual unification, strengthen China and work towards unification."
Ma Ying-jeou's camp immediately struck back, calling Chen "malevolent and disrespectful" for using a deceased individual as a political hatchet.
"What Chen did today was completely against the principles of benevolence, honesty and forgiveness that are so deeply rooted in the Taiwanese spirit," said Vincent Siew (蕭萬長), Ma Ying-jeou's running mate.
I knew that when Chen was made Chairman of the DPP stupid stuff like this would happen. Luckily for my sore fingers the Taipei Times responded appropriately today:
Today, we are beginning to see this self-destructive behavior re-emerge just in time for the legislative and presidential elections thanks to an ill-advised broadside against Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) presidential candidate Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九), based on the words of Ma's late father engraved on his urn allegedly supporting China's unification.Until Chen took over the Chairmanship, I thought Hsieh had a strong lead. *sigh* At least the referendum drive is going well, with more than 2 million signatures collected, far exceeding the 800,000 needed.
This is specious and repulsive politicking on Chen's part. Worryingly for the DPP, Chen seems unaware that attacks on politicians for the perceived sins of their parents can backfire badly.
It is bizarre that Chen would adopt a strategy based on indecent assumptions of family accountability when Ma's track record -- the things Ma has done for which he is solely responsible -- is fodder enough for political purposes.
Chen rightfully took responsibility for the single most damaging event to his government: the failure to capture the legislature in late 2004. He did so by resigning the party chairmanship -- a move that was highly appropriate considering that the loss was a strategic debacle. The DPP treated the poll like a presidential election, focusing on cross-strait sloganeering instead of local candidates and developing strategies for the then multiple-member districts.
All this is at the national level. The presidential election will likely go well, win or lose, but the real key is the local level elections. Last time Chen was at the helm, the DPP blew elections they could have won. The DPP desperately needs a professional party chairman who has but one focus: putting DPP candidates into office. Hopefully none of this will stick to Hsieh.
The International Herald Tribune ran an AP article on Ma Ying-jeou's position: there is one China and it includes Taiwan.
The consensus, negotiated between Taiwanese and Chinese representatives in Hong Kong, holds to the idea of a single China -- including Taiwan -- but says the island and the mainland disagree on what it means.
Speaking to reporters on Thursday, Ma said he maintained his support for the consensus, which was agreed to one year after Taiwan's Nationalist government renounced a 40-year long determination to retake the mainland by force.
"The 1992 Consensus has always been my policy and I have never stopped saying so," Ma said.
Announcing that Ma thinks Taiwan is part of the China while running for President is pretty much what the DPP wants him to do. Moreover, the 1992 Consensus that Ma refers to was something that the KMT simply made up, as one of those present admitted a while back. Yesterday Ma praised Chiang Kai-shek and said he only made a few small mistakes, or suchlike (I don't have the exact quotes), only problems being the White Terror and 2-28. Another brilliant move. Ma is obviously an ideologue, but don't worry -- none of Ma's deeply Chinese thinking will ever make it into the foreign media. After all, he's charming, and he speaks good English, and he went to Harvard, and that is all Ye foreigners know on earth, and all ye need to know...
On the humorous side, the papers have been filled with the saga of the wife of DPP legislator Luo Wen-chia. He was DPP, she KMT. First she threatened to divorce him for running again this year, but has since calmed down, and now is only going off to the US to hide during the election campaigns. They are not a traditional political couple, Legisator Luo lamely explained.
UPDATE: A-gu agrees.
Well, what we don't know is who put this on the urn (dropped the ball on that one reporters). Frank Hsieh suggests Ma Ying-jeou himself may have written it, but offers this only as a hypothetical possibility. Ma Ying-jeou offers no hints.
But more importantly, who cares? I agree this is disrespectful. Attack Ma on his records. Replay his old quotations on this topic over and over. Don't talk about his father.
As I note in the comments below, when someone complained that I hadn't mentioned that the KMT had argued Chen had misquoted the urn, what's written on the urn itself is irrelevant (it's subject to interpretation). The problem is that Chen should have ignored the whole thing. Now Ma gets to parade around in public looking like the good Chinese son. Stupid, stupid, stupid. We don't need the urn to know that Ma is a pro-China Deep Blue ideologue masquerading as a "moderate."
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Btw Chen's quote on the inscription is wrong. Also, go look at Chen's father's grave inscription, it says he is Chinese :). Owned!
ReplyDeleteI object! There should also be a trademark for "Great Man"!
ReplyDeleteWhy is there no mention in this post (or the referenced newspaper articles) of A-bian's 'accidental' misquote of the inscription? Mr. President went ahead and decided to change a word, thus misrepresenting the context of the inscription.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the readers should probably know that most all graves around here, including A-Bian's father's, describe the person's homeland as 'China'.
I find it ABSOLUTELY AMAZING that there are so many people (especially down here in the south) that really buy into this stuff. A-Bian, as much of a dumbass as he is, knows how to get folks riled up, and his mojo is working. He must have attended the Karl Rove school of politics and graduated magna - super - duper - pooper - scooper.
Yes, Chen was as tactless as usual.
ReplyDeleteBut Ma was using the fact that his father is buried in Taiwan for political purposes.
Ma was making another of these wild comparisons he loves to make....safe in the knowledge that nobody in the Pan-Blue media will ever analyze what the hell he's talking about.
Wasn't this one about him being as Taiwanese as Nicolas Sarkozy is French? I'm no expert on French politics but I don't remember Sarkozy running on a campaign of 'eventual unification' with Hungary.
Why is there no mention in this post (or the referenced newspaper articles) of A-bian's 'accidental' misquote of the inscription? Mr. President went ahead and decided to change a word, thus misrepresenting the context of the inscription.
ReplyDeleteWhy? Because the only people claiming it is a misquote are pro-Blue. Therefore the source is -- heh -- unreliable. Do you have the inscription's original Chinese?
Michael
"I'm no expert on French politics but I don't remember Sarkozy running on a campaign of 'eventual unification' with Hungary."
ReplyDeleteHmmm.... Sarkozy as a closet Hapsburg? Shhh.... don't tell the media.
If Chen really did misquote the urn, then wouldn't it make him look like a dumbass eveb more if Ma simply released a picture of the actual inscription? And wouldn't this also exhonerate his father's name? I honestly think the urn criticism is silly, since Ma's father was indeed Chinese. But if Chen really quoted the urn incorrectly, them Ma would be missing a golden opportunity to stick it to him. Hmm... and I thought Ma was an opportunist.
Why? Because the only people claiming it is a misquote are pro-Blue.
ReplyDeleteHuh? The picture of Ma's father's Urm is published and what Chen said is clear not it (just go find it on youtube).
Here is a link for the pic from a pro-Taiwan website:
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/green-pod/article?mid=1251
Btw, for you Chinese challenged, you can said the first phase is not much of a different. However, 大同 is really different from unification with China. Also, since he is quoting, it should be word for word not parapharsing. Michael what happened to your investigative spirit?
Also, Christie, the key thing is that Chen mentioned the urn, instead of simply ignoring the issue. It's not so relevant what the urn says. What Chen did was stupid.
ReplyDeleteMichael
What happened to my investigative spirit? Three full-time jobs, man. Is there a better pic? Half of it is illegible...
ReplyDelete...really, I just don't care what the translation says. The real issue is Chen's lack of political acumen, not whether he is misrepresenting what the urn says, since laconic dedications are subject to considerable "play" in translations.
I don't need the urn to know that Ma is a pro-China ideologue, and as A-gu noted, they should simply play recordings of Ma's actual words over and over, such as his dismissal of Taiwanese who liked Japan as brainwashed, or his praise for the mass murderers Chiang Ching-kuo and Chiang Kai-shek, and service to the same.
Michael
You're right, Michael. What Chen did was stupid. But, you said the following, whcih worries me:
ReplyDelete"the only people claiming it is a misquote are pro-Blue. Therefore the source is -- heh -- unreliable. Do you have the inscription's original Chinese?"
You're better than this, Michael!! By claiming that the 'Pro-Blue' media is pushing the misquote story, you are kind of dismissing the reality of any real 'Pro-Blue' media by acknowledging the fact that the picture of the urn hasn't really turned up. So, I'm going to conclude by default that there is a huge 'Pro-Green' media influence around here (I've known this to be true for quite a while already). The fact is, pictures of the inscription are readily available, and Chen gave an ass-backwards misrepresentation.
Go look for yourself on youtube:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KemZ77x6fck
The whole 'I Love Taiwan More' thing is a total crap-out political waste from both sides. I am neither blue nor green, but it looks to me that Chen's buried a lot deeper in bullshit than Ma is. For hell's sake, Chen tried to have his grandchild born overseas! What was that all about?
Arty you are an idiot. The quote isn't significantly off. The urn says "melt away independence, replacing with unification, strengthen China, help the strong and the weak, together work towards harmony." It is what it is, and it makes it all the harder for Ma to capture the 90% of Taiwanese voters that don't think they are Chinese.
ReplyDeleteBTW, cultural or ethnic identity can be strongly linked to country identity but doesn't have to be. Chinese doesn't necessarily mean of China even if most Taiwanese move away from it now because of that.
You're better than this, Michael!! By claiming that the 'Pro-Blue' media is pushing the misquote story, you are kind of dismissing the reality of any real 'Pro-Blue' media by acknowledging the fact that the picture of the urn hasn't really turned up.
ReplyDeleteActually, I wasn't thinking of Golden Retriever media, but of the fact that the misquote claim originated with KMT legislators attacking back on behalf of Ma. Since KMT legislators will say absolutely anything, nothing they say can be trusted. Naturally, they would claim A-bian misquoted the urn. *shrug*
In cases like this I usually wait a few days before I make a judgment, until all the information comes in. If more reliable sources also say the urn was misquoted, then I go for it. So far everything I've seen indicates that the A-bian's reading of the urn is fundamentally correct, however you may quibble. But I don't consider that the main point at all. Yes, A-bian is completely right about Ma being a pro-Blue ideologue. No, the urn should never have been mentioned.
Michael
Arty you are an idiot.
ReplyDeleteYes, I am an idiot, but "quoting" means you can't miss a word. If you are paraphrasing please said that you are "paraphrasing." I guess your teacher didn't teach you right. The last sentence is clearly off though. Also, arguing with an idiot, what does this make you?
P.S. I find it amazing a lot of people seem to be proud of them having a master degree from US. However, majority of master degree in the US is only rewarded because they didn't pass the doctoral candidacy exam, and somethimes by knowing what's quoting and what's paraphrasing makes a huge difference. Usually someone just copies word for word without paraphrasing and get busted for plagiarism. So I do have to give Chen the credit for getting busted for paraphrasing.
If you're going to call someone an idiot, please be courteous enough to include a screen name, so we can call you an idiot without having to call you 'anonymous'.
ReplyDeleteArty's right. What Chen did was not only stupid, but it was fundamentally dishonest and misleading. He intentionally misquoted what was on the urn, and by doing so twisted the real meaning of what was written. If you don't think so, take a few more Chinese lessons.
Ma's view on China can be described by one word: vague. He's been misrepresented over and over by the 'Pro-Green' media here, and that's a shame. One thing is true: he is not pro-Unification. You can say what you want about his record, and the '92 stuff, but there is an underlying necessity to be consistently vague on the China issue. If I were in Ma's position (and I'm all for freedom, independence, and telling China to piss off) I would do exactly what he has done. Just be vague and put the issue off. Kick the rock down the street. Wait for a better time. Call me crazy, but the political atmosphere in the world right now does not provide for Taiwan officially going solo. It just won't work right now. Be patient. It's a harsh reality in an imperfect world. If push comes to shove, China will get their way. There is no way around that.