tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post8868326198756097527..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Daily Links, Jan 18, 2010Michael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-71894071898204614442010-01-21T22:53:11.438+08:002010-01-21T22:53:11.438+08:00Arty you're being an idiot.
Okay, I guess bei...<b>Arty you're being an idiot.</b><br /><br />Okay, I guess being an idiot and is an idiot are two very different things.<br /><br /><b>What do your "exchanges" consist of? The ill-mannered, academically-weak, class-skipping, rude and over-the-top nationalistic typical Chinese student in Taiwan only makes young Taiwanese feel more and more anti-China.</b><br /><br />You should check out how many poor farmer's wives or lower classes' wives are Chinese :), who cannot find a mate in Taiwan.Artynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1440592538485647152010-01-20T16:48:06.971+08:002010-01-20T16:48:06.971+08:00Arty, no one called you an idiot, though it's ...Arty, no one called you an idiot, though it's telling that you read it that way =). That swipe at Taiwanese while setting yourself apart as someone not in that group is also telling.<br /><br />The trend is the opposite of what you say. That's a fact, and there are yearly polls by the Mainland Affairs Council that prove it. There has been steady increase in exchanges and tourism ever since the 80s, mainly of Taiwanese going to China. Yet Taiwanese see themselves as separate from China ever more strongly.<br /><br />What do your "exchanges" consist of? The ill-mannered, academically-weak, class-skipping, rude and over-the-top nationalistic typical Chinese student in Taiwan only makes young Taiwanese feel more and more anti-China.<br /><br />Time won't tell. No, time is telling us <b>right now</b> that you're wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-88853165750331705232010-01-19T22:44:53.373+08:002010-01-19T22:44:53.373+08:00Arty you're being an idiot. You speak in this ...<b>Arty you're being an idiot. You speak in this all-knowing manner, but the facts are the exact opposite of what you said. The current trend in Taiwan is towards a stronger and stronger exclusively Taiwanese identity that desires independence.</b><br /><br />Differences in opinion do not make me an idiot, and only an idiot will say that. Time will tell who is right. Although I have root in Taiwan, sometimes I think Taiwanese think way too highly of themselves.Artynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-30965038288302850752010-01-19T17:12:43.820+08:002010-01-19T17:12:43.820+08:00Arty you're being an idiot. You speak in this...Arty you're being an idiot. You speak in this all-knowing manner, but the facts are the exact opposite of what you said. The current trend in Taiwan is towards a stronger and stronger exclusively Taiwanese identity that desires independence. The one thing that will make your ever more rare ambivalent Taiwanese young person feel fervently Taiwanese is to have them go to China.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1788791865077397852010-01-19T16:10:13.420+08:002010-01-19T16:10:13.420+08:00I think those silos were around Yuan Chang. Intere...I think those silos were around Yuan Chang. Interestingly, the graves nearby also cited Yuan Chang as the "Ancestral Village".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-62856771018110043722010-01-19T15:57:13.563+08:002010-01-19T15:57:13.563+08:00P.S. also...
...we took 1 down so we could cross ...P.S. also...<br /><br />...we took 1 down so we could cross the great red bridge at Xiluo, really the highlight of the trip.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-91481412873966739122010-01-19T15:56:16.497+08:002010-01-19T15:56:16.497+08:00P.S.
On the way down, we took 1 to 145 to 19. The...P.S.<br /><br />On the way down, we took 1 to 145 to 19. Then I got us lost so we ended up on 19A, then went through Madou and got back on 19 and finished. <br /><br />145 is wonderful, empty, broad shoulders, flat, and the shoulders don't have glass or shards of metal like most Taiwan shoulders do.<br /><br />On the way back we took 165 to Chiayi and then rode around small roads on the way up. The only memorable road was the one past Bagua Shan between Ershui and Mingjian, treelined, rolling, empty. A lovely ride. 165 from Longtian was also nice, but it had a gentle upward grade. It was treelined in many places and designated a bike route. Really a sweet ride if you can take it.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-24845251701180711462010-01-19T14:25:18.390+08:002010-01-19T14:25:18.390+08:00Michael,
Congratulations on your back-back centur...Michael,<br /><br />Congratulations on your back-back century achievement, that's really impressive (my only double-century was at age 29; scary to think of doing it now).<br /><br />I am curious what was your impression of the route in terms of scenery and traffic. Having lived in Taichung, I assumed that the west side of Taiwan is impassable. Or were you able to take some farmer's roads to sneak past the tricky bits?P. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11503894022260641010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-27469352864542274262010-01-19T14:20:01.309+08:002010-01-19T14:20:01.309+08:00No more Pulitzers ahead for Mr Friedman unless the...No more Pulitzers ahead for Mr Friedman unless there's an award for Blackberry-drafted punditry-from-30,000-feet. On this occasion he clearly didn't even set foot in Taiwan. At most he dropped a CGI avatar down to pick up the check for his speaking engagement. I mean..."Taiwan is a barren rock"!!!Donnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-60012292780068081492010-01-19T12:27:22.169+08:002010-01-19T12:27:22.169+08:00Yeah, and the guy who predicted that China's e...<b>Yeah, and the guy who predicted that China's economy would be US$123 trillion by 2040 has won a Nobel. What is your point, anon?</b><br /><br />Except he is talking about PPP-GDP which will probably be right if there is no war among the top nations. You don't even need a Nobel price to predict that. Here is a TED talk by Hans Rosling about how you can predict exactly when India and China will catch up...<br /><br />http://live4.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_asia_s_rise_how_and_when.html<br /><br />wait, he has very small share of Nobel Peace prize.<br /><br />And Friedman is not naive, he is stating the fact. Today's trend will eventually push Taiwan toward China through migrations and exchanges. You may not like it though, but does not make it wrong and without merit.Artynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-70561904769708594082010-01-19T11:52:51.035+08:002010-01-19T11:52:51.035+08:00The last time I rode a century was over 20 years a...The last time I rode a century was over 20 years ago. I can't imagine doing it now at my age and (ahem) condition. You're an inspiration to all of us.Jonathan Bendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10697405682873882601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-87887429989376527252010-01-18T23:14:49.201+08:002010-01-18T23:14:49.201+08:00Friedman is a pure tool. The main work on reducing...Friedman is a pure tool. The main work on reducing tensions happened in the 90's, Ma/Hu have done little of substance - what does this bloody idiot think he is talking about?<br /><br />Re: Succession in Taiwanese companies. Yeah, Terry Guo is a prime example, the senior managers started manoeuvring years ago, one of them will probably grab the top spot, as far as I know no-one in his family is interested so long as the bills get paid.Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-49222257639622821962010-01-18T21:33:15.698+08:002010-01-18T21:33:15.698+08:00Lisa, I don't remember where they were, somewh...Lisa, I don't remember where they were, somewhere on 145, south of the town of Pu Tz.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-39148045727462200352010-01-18T21:27:21.011+08:002010-01-18T21:27:21.011+08:00Yeah, and the guy who predicted that China's e...Yeah, and the guy who predicted that China's economy would be US$123 trillion by 2040 has won a Nobel. What is your point, anon?<br /><br />The problem with Friedman's piece is that it is simply dishonest. An uneducated listener, would think that the Chinese missiles had been removed to go by his wording. He also neglects any diversity of viewpoint in Taiwan. Finally, he refers to conflict in the past tense, as if everyone were happy now and the rest of the world could go on about its business.<br /><br />I don't see how anyone with his background can be this naive. This type of writing is dangerous. It encourages missteps.Tommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552370490869601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-86173327533341657022010-01-18T18:32:05.517+08:002010-01-18T18:32:05.517+08:00"I think his main purpose in life is to make ..."I think his main purpose in life is to make everyone around him feel intelligent." <br /><br />Ha. I think that the more likely supposition is that people feel oh so smart by uttering his name. People love to feel they are part of a club. So-and-so is part of Oprah's book "club." Anonymous 2:44, I guess, feels that he is part of some Thomas Friedman fan club, and that by uttering His Pulitzerness, he has entered some Holy Shrine or some such.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15907060405795620941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-72964861484839943892010-01-18T17:34:32.134+08:002010-01-18T17:34:32.134+08:00SY,
You are correct. The "Chha-Len-Pun"...SY,<br /><br />You are correct. The "Chha-Len-Pun" were once common along the central Taiwan plain, mainly between Yunlin and Chia Yi counties. They appear in the paintings of the Zhuluo Gazetteers and the Dutch make mention of "burning the grain silos" in Mattou (Madou).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-71367272351292981612010-01-18T17:30:48.163+08:002010-01-18T17:30:48.163+08:00It seems to me that the Pulitzer is old hat for Th...It seems to me that the Pulitzer is old hat for Thomas Friedman, and he is now hoping to land a National Book award for literary fiction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-73957849530058814602010-01-18T16:53:22.535+08:002010-01-18T16:53:22.535+08:00Remind me again how many Pultizers Michael Turton ...<b>Remind me again how many Pultizers Michael Turton and Jerome Keating have won.</b><br /><br />LOL. He's a hack with three pulitzers. So? I think his main purpose in life is to make everyone around him feel intelligent.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-14067973837415912882010-01-18T16:38:54.734+08:002010-01-18T16:38:54.734+08:00Thomas Friedman is a ridiculous hack. But this is...Thomas Friedman is a ridiculous hack. But this is why even though it's so obvious in Taiwan that peace DIDN'T come in these past two years as some change over the past 10 years, it's so dangerous for Ma to continuously repeat that refrain that tensions have eased. It's all going into the papers and into the record and the majority of people who read about Taiwan will think this even though it's nowhere true.<br /><br />BTW, congrats on your ride! Sounds and must feel awesome!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-82119035965917676812010-01-18T14:44:30.929+08:002010-01-18T14:44:30.929+08:00Remind me again how many Pultizers Michael Turton ...Remind me again how many Pultizers Michael Turton and Jerome Keating have won.<br /><br />Thought so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-18387131098495517072010-01-18T13:49:58.653+08:002010-01-18T13:49:58.653+08:00I believe, the aboriginal-style granary is called ...I believe, the aboriginal-style granary is called "Challenpoon" (or, "Chha-Len-Pun") by the Taiwanese. It used to be a common sight in any Taiwanese village some 40 years ago. It shows one of the aboriginal ingredients in the Taiwanese culture.<br /><br /><br />Regarding Friedman's "<b>the most important peace breakthrough on the planet</b>": <br /><br />Well, I bet, if the US had agreed to everything the Soviet Union wanted, there wouldn't have been a costly cold war either. Problem solved. "<i>The most important peace breakthrough on the planet</i>" would have taken place 60 years ago. No need for the Berlin airlift or the Marshall plan, nor would there have been a "Korean war" or a "Cuba crisis."<br /><br />Tom Friedman and Ma Ying-jeou are smarter than George Marshall and JFK, you see.SYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-42227278373102822362010-01-18T13:35:05.039+08:002010-01-18T13:35:05.039+08:00Hi,
Stumble over your blog...
I, born and raised...Hi,<br /><br />Stumble over your blog...<br /><br />I, born and raised in Tainan, shamelessly admit that I have never seen those granaries in my life. Do you remember which town you saw them?Lisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-46315605960613477002010-01-18T11:50:03.613+08:002010-01-18T11:50:03.613+08:00Congratulations on your first century ride Michael...Congratulations on your first century ride Michael! It's even more impressive that you woke up the next morning and did another one!<br /><br />I've ridden quite a few century rides myself, but unfortunately they were all metric-centuries!Toddhttp://thedailybubbletea.comnoreply@blogger.com