tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post8799758664749032423..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Flag Flap!Michael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-33410966017107155852012-08-01T11:40:41.352+08:002012-08-01T11:40:41.352+08:00Leave comments re. BBC website content:
https://f...Leave comments re. BBC website content:<br /><br />https://faq.external.bbc.co.uk/templates/bbcfaqs/emailstatic/emailSubmitPage?entryID=&id=PC3L48EDQ335TIABAHBEFOU782&moduleID=John Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-48061346544527669132012-07-31T23:31:48.677+08:002012-07-31T23:31:48.677+08:00BBC web site has bowed to the red China. As of 7/3...BBC web site has bowed to the red China. As of 7/30:<br /><br />http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aSOC&ID=201207290020<br /><br />Today (7/31): <br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/countries/chinese-taipei<br /><br />The Washington Post (7/31), we will see how long that flag will stand:<br /><br />http://stats.washingtonpost.com/olympics/medals.aspAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-62404195079620623922012-07-31T18:45:01.741+08:002012-07-31T18:45:01.741+08:00Such a complex symbol, I wonder if there was anoth...Such a complex symbol, I wonder if there was another such symbol with so much conflicts and confusion behind it in human history. At the same time it represents Taiwan, ROC, Taiwan indepedence and KMT tyrany...Orz.Dixteelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05689510846926854542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-54749285224400250432012-07-31T13:34:31.652+08:002012-07-31T13:34:31.652+08:00Seriously, between ROC flag and Chinese Taipei fla...Seriously, between ROC flag and Chinese Taipei flag, I would much rather have the Chinese Taipei flag, since ROC flag was what flown over dead bodies of Taiwanese people who died in 228 and white terror, not the Chinese Taipei flag. Taiwanese embracing ROC flag is like Jews embracing Nazi flag, not gonna sit well with me. Right now, I only use the WTC flag to represent Taiwan. It is no national flag, but before we have our own independent state of Taiwan, this will do~<br /><br />http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Flag_of_WTC.svgKen Wu/https://www.facebook.com/kenwutaiwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-27051275617284532722012-07-31T10:34:15.762+08:002012-07-31T10:34:15.762+08:00Yes, i think you are right, Michal.Yes, i think you are right, Michal.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-49313527119800551032012-07-31T09:43:49.646+08:002012-07-31T09:43:49.646+08:00Symbols do not have static meaning. If majority of...Symbols do not have static meaning. If majority of people consider it a flag of Taiwan, it is flag of Taiwan. Most of all, it is pragmatic approach too. Do you really think passerby on Regent Street knows all the complexity about Taiwanese political/identity debates? However, they may know this flag is flag of Taiwan...they usually dont know Taiwan is officially ROC, no one uses that because it just adds to overall confusion.<br /><br />Day will come, and people will be able to change the flag if they wish to. I would not be surprised if they keep current one, really! It is no longer KMT symbol...they denounced it when they did their utmost to hide all the flags from Chen Yun-lin in 2008.Michal Thimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10715858990724184481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-33614086257953677022012-07-31T09:43:22.524+08:002012-07-31T09:43:22.524+08:00The German national anthem ("Deutschlandlied&...The German national anthem ("Deutschlandlied", i.e. "The song of Germany"; AKA "The song of the Germans) was originally written for the Austrian emperor Francis II (Franz-Josef II) and was the national anthem of the Austrian empire until its end in 1918. <br /><br />Four years later (1922), Germany made it their national anthem; until today (with evolving changes to the lyrics.)<br /><br />So, if the ROC flag were to be made Taiwan's national flag, it'd not be "that unusual".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1888047929448923892012-07-31T07:37:20.455+08:002012-07-31T07:37:20.455+08:00There has been such a deep rooted program of icona...<b>There has been such a deep rooted program of iconalization and ritualization around these ROC/KMT images, they have become a major part of the Taiwanese experience. All of the ritual involved in school flag ceremonies, Sun Yat-sen worship etal, has made these symbols resonate among Taiwanese as a part of their experience, but with possibly vastly different meanings than originally intended as they have been remained in a Taiwanese context.</b><br /><br />Yes, that's what we're seeing here. The Taiwanese have remade the flag of the ROC as their own. It's cool to watch the consequences of this. Great comment, thanks.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-56460067051737133622012-07-31T07:18:52.273+08:002012-07-31T07:18:52.273+08:00There has been such a deep rooted program of icona...There has been such a deep rooted program of iconalization and ritualization around these ROC/KMT images, they have become a major part of the Taiwanese experience. All of the ritual involved in school flag ceremonies, Sun Yat-sen worship etal, has made these symbols resonate among Taiwanese as a part of their experience, but with possibly vastly different meanings than originally intended as they have been remained in a Taiwanese context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-42565493482574703632012-07-31T02:30:23.638+08:002012-07-31T02:30:23.638+08:00The irony is the majority of the people who defend...The irony is the majority of the people who defend the ROC flag are Taiwan centric people. After all flying the ROC flag is better than havin PROC flags flying in Taiwan. It just puzzles me that while so many Taiwanese are trying to matain their own life style and identity many of the pro-unification, sorry pro-annexation, people (KMTers) KMTers are trying so hard to get rid of the flag that they created and have imposed on Taiwanese.Jadenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-21930152931826930012012-07-31T01:54:41.575+08:002012-07-31T01:54:41.575+08:00Even some of my greenest friends call it Taiwan...Even some of my greenest friends call it Taiwan's flag. They would happily undo all the vestiges of the ROC except that one. I find it strange, but ultimately it isn't one of the really important things.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13079284428870214896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-59973487591762117472012-07-30T21:12:40.216+08:002012-07-30T21:12:40.216+08:00There's a petition on change.org to replace th...There's <a href="https://www.change.org/petitions/regent-street-association-please-use-taiwan-s-true-flag-at-regent-street-%E8%AB%8B%E4%BD%BF%E7%94%A8%E5%8F%B0%E7%81%A3%E9%9D%92%E5%A4%A9%E7%99%BD%E6%97%A5%E6%BB%BF%E5%9C%B0%E7%B4%85%E5%9C%8B%E6%97%97%E5%9C%A8%E9%BA%97%E6%99%B6%E8%A1%97%E4%B8%8A" title="Regent Street Association - Please Use Taiwan's True Flag at Regent Street/請使用台灣青天白日滿地紅國旗在麗晶街上" rel="nofollow">a petition on change.org</a> to replace the more offensive of the two flags with the slightly-less-offensive one (note they they unfortunately call it "Taiwan's 'True' Flag"), in case anyone's interested in signing it and maybe adding a comment.<br /><br /><a href="http://taiwanmatters.blogspot.com/" title="Taiwan Matters!" rel="nofollow">Tim Maddog</a>Tim Maddoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943522529132663780noreply@blogger.com