tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post8447221110855266385..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: "Both sides are tied by blood..."Michael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-30743776848538147252008-05-29T19:59:00.000+08:002008-05-29T19:59:00.000+08:00China wins.......So the small island bends over fo...China wins.......<BR/><BR/><BR/>So the small island bends over for the big fuck.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, but it was inevitable.<BR/><BR/>Now what?<BR/><BR/>Massive payback. Of course.<BR/><BR/>Then what?<BR/><BR/>Not much. The economy is already dependent upon the mainland for labor.<BR/><BR/>So what else is new? Only pretty boy Ma.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-87912399745932624712008-05-29T16:32:00.000+08:002008-05-29T16:32:00.000+08:00The number 3200 years should be 200 years. But to ...The number 3200 years should be 200 years. But to expand on that a little... The KMT's effort to fight warlordism for much of the post revolution period demonstrates how different many peoples now ruled by the PRC felt about each other following the collapse of the Qing. The KMT's fight against warlordism helped determine their policies regarding a strong, centralized concept of national language, economy and culture, which were later elaborated by the KMT and the CCP for their respective Chinas. Steven Phillips gets into this aspect in his book, The Taiwanese Encounter with Nationalist China 1945-1953. David Wu demonstrates in an essay...I can't recall the name at the moment, how the presence of a political entity in Hua Qiao communities... or to create those communities, like a Chinese Cultural Center or Organization, to promote ROC propaganda on society and culture, served to create Chinese communities and prevent them from matriculating into larger society. In areas where they did not establish those organizations people of former Han ethnic groups became localized. They lacked the socializing symbols promoted by the Chninese polities. Chineseness is quite fluid and it can be lost as easily as it is gained.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-31226953162215085592008-05-29T14:37:00.000+08:002008-05-29T14:37:00.000+08:00Zyzyx, you can post your comments here, but trolli...Zyzyx, you can post your comments here, but trolling is not permitted. To turn your comments into a non-troll, please post relevant, binding international documents such as treaties to support your claims. <BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-42436713005498952902008-05-29T08:41:00.000+08:002008-05-29T08:41:00.000+08:00We've also been talking about warming relations be...We've also been talking about warming relations between Taiwan and the mainland on our blog, except in a celebratory tone.<BR/><BR/>http://blog.speak4china.com/?tag=taiwanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-40370964460183015592008-05-28T23:16:00.000+08:002008-05-28T23:16:00.000+08:00It's a shame that the pro-China camp in Taiwan and...It's a shame that the pro-China camp in Taiwan and the Chinese are politicizing this quake tragedy. Why can't we simply be helping out of compassion? Why must both sides be "tied by blood?" In the past couple of decades, the Taiwanese have developed charities organizations that provided domestic and international disaster relief.<BR/><BR/>It's also a shame that the Chinese, with their new wealthy class, has donated much less than the Taiwanese to their own people in need.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-7782312318811092622008-05-28T19:46:00.000+08:002008-05-28T19:46:00.000+08:00The impossibility, in the minds of many foreign me...The impossibility, in the minds of many foreign media outlets, of Taiwanese to not be Chinese seems to have a hint of ignorant racism. When I was a child all East Asians were "Chinese"...whether they came from Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Viet Nam etc... It was more natural to see and comprehend the differences between caucasians than anyone else and in my own ignorance of the differences between others, I just lumped them all together into the one group I was most familiar with associating those features. But if you go to those places you find there are deep divisions that can't be seen by ignorant outsiders, and mean the world to the people concerned. <BR/><BR/>To take this idea to China and Taiwan, if we want to think in terms of "traditional", the differences between peoples in what is now China who 3200 years ago, lived less than 100 miles apart, felt so different from one another they often punctuated their differences with blood. This shows a lack of ethnic cohesion that we are told by officials existed, and the differences often manifested themselves in Taiwan with regular bloody conflicts based on class and ethnicity. <BR/><BR/>These traditional differences are often veiled and hidden by Chinese nationalists who have a stake in crafting histories that show 5000 years of a single ethnic group. Chineseness was nationalized by the republicans, defined by their successive regimes and thus, one Chineseness relies of political mobilization to maintain itself. <BR/><BR/>There are some interesting arguments that written Chinese is the uniting factor... and that may be partially true, the way English speakers can read one another's information... it would only be a very recent phenomenon as most people who are governed by either the PRC or ROC and their ancestors were largely illiterate until very very recently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-84589695635101731652008-05-28T12:30:00.000+08:002008-05-28T12:30:00.000+08:00Talking about bandwagon, Michael, did you see the ...Talking about bandwagon, Michael, did you see the news about a guy in Kaohsiung who opened a fried chicken stand, who handed out red envelopes filled with renminbis? <BR/><BR/>The public was delighted, saying they could now spend that money when traveling to China.<BR/><BR/>The guy said that he was looking forward to his business improving when the three links were opened.<BR/><BR/>Win-win all around! ROFL (better than crying or bumping your head against the wall).TicoExpathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09924420017053186115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-21778850732674992162008-05-28T12:23:00.000+08:002008-05-28T12:23:00.000+08:00I swear "split" is used because it creates excitem...I swear "split" is used because it creates excitement and tension in the reader. It also makes Taiwanese splittists... or maybe ex-splittists...if the split has already happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-63811997426626147762008-05-28T10:32:00.000+08:002008-05-28T10:32:00.000+08:00Just to complicate things a bit...Wu's uncle Wu Ho...Just to complicate things a bit...<BR/>Wu's uncle Wu Hong-qi (吳鴻麒) was murdered during 228 by the KMT. The rumors on the blogs say that Wu's father cut off his older brother's widow and children though and didn't bury the body. These kinds of stories are pretty common.<BR/><BR/>Even in the Wu family there are significant political differences--Wu Yun-dong, a prominent doctor in Taoyuan and Wu Po-hsiung's cousin endorsed Chen in 2004 and Hsieh and 2008.<BR/><BR/>Similar splits are obvious in many prominent Taiwanese families though--the Koos being a great example Koo Kwan-ming and Koo Chen-fu.<BR/><BR/>BTW, did you catch Koo Chen-fu wife , wearing a chi pao, giving Chiang Pin-kin a book of Soong Mei-ling writings to inspire him for the up coming talks in China? Lord have mercy on Taiwan.<BR/><BR/>Back to Hakkas, Hakkas voted for Lien Chan by a margin of 15 to 20% in 2000 but that margin dipped to 8% in 2004 (not sure who has these figures--Ye Chu-lan mentions them). If that's correct, I'm not sure that Hoklos are voting green in much larger numbers than the Hakka do.Michael Faheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11057491107522344042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-13543620337887094482008-05-28T10:21:00.000+08:002008-05-28T10:21:00.000+08:00Just refering to your media notes. By 1949, Japan ...Just refering to your media notes. <BR/><BR/>By 1949, Japan had already lost the war and was under occupation. <BR/><BR/>under the terms of surrender, Japan gave up all her colonies, reverting them to whoever was the previous soverign or colonial power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-16295720205031763122008-05-28T08:29:00.000+08:002008-05-28T08:29:00.000+08:00and all sides are tied to blood to parts of Africa...and all sides are tied to blood to parts of Africa... therefore...<BR/><BR/>1) I can't think of a nation state that is genetically homogenous. States are pluralities in every way.<BR/><BR/>2) Blood lies- My blood doesn't tell me anything about my historical connections by looking at it. It is full of lies, deceptions and fictive constructions from my own imagination. Besides, in traditional Confucian societies, if we want to talk about cultural ties, which is the trope that follows blood, genetic ties were not viewed as important. It was the succession of the surname and filial piety that determined the continuing of a family line. This is a concept of which Taiwan is a stellar example. Adoptions of male heirs to pass on the family name and perform mortuary customs was particularly high, as was the incidence of uxorilocal marriage. Often boys were brought into a family from Plains Aboriginal areas to act as a male heir, or to take the woman's family name in marriage. The children of these unions were considered no less than had an adoption never happened. <BR/><BR/>3- If blood makes Chinese, then China should consider giving up it's "minorities" and giving their traditional lands to nations with higher percentages of those groups... something Sun Yat Sen considered...or letting them be independent...something many of those groups considered following the end of the Qing. Wait! Those areas are, and have always been, traditional parts of China....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com