tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post748638510763451164..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Irritated Bellow Syndrome: Taiwan fisherman killed by Philippine Coast Guard, Media Feeding Frenzy EnsuesMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-31571846410927200142013-06-10T17:33:42.223+08:002013-06-10T17:33:42.223+08:00lets reversed the situation, What will you do if a...lets reversed the situation, What will you do if a filipino were killed in that accident? will they apologized and give demands or they just ignore it and forget about itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-55167871617365294702013-05-21T15:25:53.262+08:002013-05-21T15:25:53.262+08:00you intrude into my backyard to steal my things an...you intrude into my backyard to steal my things and i will blow your brain out of your head.... and i will not apologize.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-19663418245315527062013-05-20T00:30:11.827+08:002013-05-20T00:30:11.827+08:00It's a tough situation, but the bottom-line is...It's a tough situation, but the bottom-line is crystal clear; Philippines firing on unarmed fisherman's boat is not allowed.A-Maohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09022986017770184127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-73583159831249678402013-05-17T17:30:40.426+08:002013-05-17T17:30:40.426+08:00"No American was chased, arrested or irration..."No American was chased, arrested or irrationally killed for the violation of sovereignty, or the permanent damaging of a precious world heritage site in the Philippines, or the callous use of Philippine resources for the crew's R&R. According to a local solon, the American sailors went off into the water to swim and get closer view of the pretty corals, against the warnings of a park ranger. This kind of contempt was not met by wild firings of submachine guns and hostility. And yet the damage was exponentially bigger than the Taiwanese' case. "<br /><br />>> The US has the PERMISSION of the Philippines. US ships navigating the Philippines is under the Visiting Forces Agreement.<br /><br />Taiwan does not have that permission. Besides, the US voluntarily paid for the extraction of the minesweeper which costs 45x more than the fine. Also, the US promised to help rehabilitate it.<br /><br />There is no double standards here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-35829395569851495742013-05-17T09:15:38.799+08:002013-05-17T09:15:38.799+08:00@2:36
The fishermen were in their rights to b...@2:36 <br />The fishermen were in their rights to be fishing there. Even assuming they were too close to the border and may have strayed into Philippine claimed territory -- only by a fraction of a degree (which is permissible) -- this action taken by the PCG on overlapping waters is overkill; and tantamount to CALLOUS IMMORALITY !!! <br /><br />This lethal overreaction is in violation of the UNCLOS agreement to which the Philippines is a signatoree. A tiny fishing boat with 4 crew members, how much fish can they catch as price for their lives. It's not like the Filipinos have enough commercial capacity and capabilities to exploit fully their resources to the extent of every corner of their claimed territory. They still do a lot of blast fishing, you know. <br /><br />Now contrast this to the slap on the wrist response to the recent American transgression in Tubbataha Reef, which caused irreversible destruction of priceless coral reefs. Those corals destroyed by, of all names, the USSGuardian, will not grow back again. The vessel entered w/o permit, failed to coordinate w local pols about its passing, wc is contrary to protocol. 8 rangers on patrol couldnt even come near it as it was on general quarters (alarm), meaning the crew was prepped for battle or imminent damage. <br /><br />No American was chased, arrested or irrationally killed for the violation of sovereignty, or the permanent damaging of a precious world heritage site in the Philippines, or the callous use of Philippine resources for the crew's R&R. According to a local solon, the American sailors went off into the water to swim and get closer view of the pretty corals, against the warnings of a park ranger. This kind of contempt was not met by wild firings of submachine guns and hostility. And yet the damage was exponentially bigger than the Taiwanese' case. <br /><br />Why the double standard? What the PCG did should be classified as HATE CRIME by a hate filled deranged Filipino guard, angry that the victims defied him and caused immense damage to his machismo pride. Pres Aquino should stop protecting Hoodlums in Uniform, whether it be in the military or the navy or the coast guard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-14851303294462869662013-05-16T14:36:18.277+08:002013-05-16T14:36:18.277+08:00Except Philippines wont catch anything in Taiwanes...Except Philippines wont catch anything in Taiwanese waters.<br /><br />Why do you think Taiwanese(and chinese) have to venture out further into other countries' waters to fish?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-29499450172812360792013-05-16T11:30:10.396+08:002013-05-16T11:30:10.396+08:00Robert R., 200nmi from Mavudis island, the norther...Robert R., 200nmi from Mavudis island, the northernmost island of the Philippines will indeed cover almost the entire Formosa Island, until Nanao in the east and Penghu Islands in the west and the waters off Tainan. Use maps to verify and measure. Taiwan's 200nmi from Orchid Island is just off the coast of Northern Luzon (Ilocos Norte and Cagayan provinces) and waters off Batanes and Camiguin group of islands. From what I see the Philippines will benefit if it agrees to the overlaps, Filipino fishing boats can fish off Penghu and Tainan...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-76882197959744091362013-05-16T09:08:51.712+08:002013-05-16T09:08:51.712+08:00"to the anonymous commenter who did enumerate..."to the anonymous commenter who did enumerate a number of alleged atrocities to Chinese/taiwanese"....<br /><br />What a lie.... in most of the cases of kidnappings in PI were instigated and planned by either the military or the local police often with dead aim shooting<br />skills learned from US trainings..<br /><br />That's why my 1st instinct reaction to this news was, oh no... it must be an extortion ploy by these guards. That's why the PCG doesn't even have cameras for their 'surveillance ' boats. Don't want to record corruption in progress.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-45637432035318896702013-05-15T21:08:52.468+08:002013-05-15T21:08:52.468+08:00"I can understand the Taiwanese' sense of..."I can understand the Taiwanese' sense of rage over this barbaric killing." <br /><br />Why call it barbaric killing when there was no intent to shoot a person? Afaik, the PCG took shot at the boats engine to disable it and if a person happens to be there is only collateral damage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-26296063345658519412013-05-15T18:09:08.953+08:002013-05-15T18:09:08.953+08:00Philippines government apology, Wednesday 15 May 2...Philippines government apology, Wednesday 15 May 2013: http://www.sunstar.com.ph/breaking-news/2013/05/15/aquino-apologizes-death-taiwanese-fisherman-282499Juba59https://www.blogger.com/profile/08522631123538880877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-4298900528006656252013-05-15T18:07:00.879+08:002013-05-15T18:07:00.879+08:00Nice to see so many intelligent comments about thi...Nice to see so many intelligent comments about this incident, in contrast to the irrationality going on elsewhere. Would anyone like to write to the Taipei Times about it? Letters[at]taipeitimes[dot]comJuba59https://www.blogger.com/profile/08522631123538880877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-57552509956797093402013-05-14T21:22:55.395+08:002013-05-14T21:22:55.395+08:00http://jen.jiji.com/jc/i?g=eco&k=2013051400711...http://jen.jiji.com/jc/i?g=eco&k=2013051400711<br /><br />Taiwanese Boat Seized in Japan's EEZ off Southwestern Isle<br /><br />The seizure marks the first since a fishing pact took effect last Friday ...<br /><br />The first of many I think.yankdownundernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-41118382250045824142013-05-14T18:02:24.985+08:002013-05-14T18:02:24.985+08:00To the Anon who posted at 12:23 PM.
Actually, i...To the Anon who posted at 12:23 PM. <br /><br />Actually, it is not only "now" that Isorena is saying there are two fishing vessels. You can see the date from the link you provided, the news was posted on 05/10/2013 8:30 PM. That's one day after the incident, some 4 days ago, not only "now", as you've been saying. <br /><br />The reason why you, and I suspect most of Taiwan, didn't hear about it is because of the selective reporting being done by the Taiwan media. And there are other details which the Taiwan media chose most conveniently to ignore. I think people should look at media reports from both sides to keep a fair mind, keep the chronology of reports in order, and avoid being misled by a single source, which will only result in more misunderstanding and premature finger-pointing. <br /><br />Please wait for the investigation results to come out before passing judgments. I think that's only fair to ask.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-38445167685306953502013-05-14T17:26:02.033+08:002013-05-14T17:26:02.033+08:00A state's exclusive economic zone starts at th...<i>A state's exclusive economic zone starts at the seaward edge of its territorial sea and extends outward to a distance of 200 nautical miles (370.4 km) from the baseline.<br /><br />as the incident happen 164 nautical miles off Taiwan's southeastern coast. and in an area 43 nautical miles east of the Balintang Islands in the northern Philippines.<br /><br />the reason why philippines did not settle this issue is because they don't acknowledge taiwan as a country and in can't be called exclusive zone since from balintan islands 200 nautical miles will cover 3/4 of the whole taiwan,</i><br /><br />Wow, there's some silliness in there. Your measurements state that a 200km EEZ would overlap for most of the distance. Not particularly "exclusive"<br />(And don't know how you get that 3/4 of Taiwan #).<br /><br />But EEZ only extends 200km if it doesn't bump into another EEZ. In this case I'd think the EEZ boundary will be equidistant from both land masses...<br />Since the boat was closer to the Philippines than Taiwan, it's in Filipino EEZ waters.Robert R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12956389352825464115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-8933855614115514492013-05-14T14:41:32.725+08:002013-05-14T14:41:32.725+08:00@To one of the many (what a surprise) anonymouses ...@To one of the many (what a surprise) anonymouses who posted this on May 13, 2013 at 9:55 PM: "To Mr. Blogger, Read and know first the Philippine Geography and History before you write a Blog.. Dopnt't be biased to your adopted Country Taiwan."<br /><br />Did you read the post? If so, you clearly didn't take much on board. Not sure how on earth you could see this as a 'biased' whitewashing of the Taiwanese actions. quite the opposite, I'd say.<br /><br />Try reading and understanding fully before spouting gibberish.<br /><br />Jameshttp://thewritingbaron.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-52742535668962669152013-05-14T13:57:31.194+08:002013-05-14T13:57:31.194+08:00Taiwan needs more friends than enemies, with their...Taiwan needs more friends than enemies, with their situation as a non-UN recognized state plus the threat from China, they are more than stupid to make a friendly co-US ally neighbor as an enemy. The Philippines treat this issue as a minor incident, you can't even see this in the headline news. The US did not even condemn the Philippines for the incident.<br /><br />Let Taiwan blow this thing and make 1 friendly neighbor as an enemy. Also give the Philippines a reason to uparm itself so the already declining and reducing Taiwanese forces will be divided into defending more areas at a time.maxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-37765643349595290402013-05-14T12:44:13.063+08:002013-05-14T12:44:13.063+08:00I think this time the Philippines will not bow dow...I think this time the Philippines will not bow down to the Taiwanese. Times have changed. The government is fully supported by the people as you can see with the election results from yesterday. The economy is in better condition, and the dependency on sending foreign labor abroad is getting less every year. You add to that the shame they got from China just last year, and other territorial issues. The military is requesting several ships worth $12 billion that can match the Taiwanese navy if approved. I think the time of belittling the Philippines is about to end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-40785169682236759362013-05-14T12:23:12.646+08:002013-05-14T12:23:12.646+08:00http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/05/10/13/taiwan-...http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/05/10/13/taiwan-philippines-probe-fishermans-killing<br /><br />A state's exclusive economic zone starts at the seaward edge of its territorial sea and extends outward to a distance of 200 nautical miles (370.4 km) from the baseline. <br /><br />as the incident happen 164 nautical miles off Taiwan's southeastern coast. and in an area 43 nautical miles east of the Balintang Islands in the northern Philippines.<br /><br />the reason why philippines did not settle this issue is because they don't acknowledge taiwan as a country and in can't be called exclusive zone since from balintan islands 200 nautical miles will cover 3/4 of the whole taiwan, which means taiwan can't even set sail, that's why its called disputed area. taiwan did urge philippine to settle but was met with deaf ears. then 1994 agreement? is only an understanding between taiwan and the philippines that naval ships will not cross that line, but not fishing ships, even so only taiwan cares about that line, philippine don't acknowledge it since they claim again that taiwan is not a soverign country, only now when incidents happen that they brought it up, and you can ready in the link from philippine news, now philippine is claiming "two fishing ship". and previously they claim only warning shots were fired into the air, but now (Isorena said his men used a .30 caliber light machinegun and M-16 and M-14 assault rifles, "but we don't know how many rounds were fired.") don't look into a new with one side of the storyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-73930156641706540392013-05-14T08:48:58.330+08:002013-05-14T08:48:58.330+08:00From TAIWAN COAST GUARD...
Boat Operation:Time: 0...From TAIWAN COAST GUARD...<br /><br />Boat Operation:Time: 05.00Coordinate: 19' 50" N; 123' 24" E10 nm outside Taiwan control border<br /><br />Incident:Time: 09.45Coordinate: 19' 58" N; 122' 58" E1.8 nm outside Taiwan control border<br /><br />Incident Reported to Taiwan Authority:Time: 13.04Coordinate: 20' 07" N; 123' 01" E5 nm insider Taiwan control border.<br /><br />seems the incident was indeed a poaching , illegal trespassing activity..and i Heard news that the SAME crew of the same patrol boat has rescued many times in the past indistress TAIWANESE fishermen regardless if they drifted accidentally to phil water or broke down while poaching. You to take this a grain of salt..WHAT LED to the SHOOTING incident..THERE MUST BE A HEAVY REASON...and as per their report THE BOAT try to RAMMED the patrol boat...IS the Taiwanese Skipper question (is he drunk, on drugs thats why he made poor decision that led to the death of one of his crew)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-27427912175502229002013-05-13T23:57:03.924+08:002013-05-13T23:57:03.924+08:00http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4060/capturetnw...http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4060/capturetnw.png<br /><br />http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7300/8733681087_66ca4407fb_b.jpg<br /><br />Really? Taiwan area? You must be blind to think this is in Taiwan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-91921383009505075852013-05-13T23:18:05.775+08:002013-05-13T23:18:05.775+08:00Boat Operation:Time: 05.00Coordinate: 19' 50&q...Boat Operation:Time: 05.00Coordinate: 19' 50" N; 123' 24" E10 nm outside Taiwan control border<br /><br />Incident:Time: 09.45Coordinate: 19' 58" N; 122' 58" E1.8 nm outside Taiwan control border<br /><br />Incident Reported to Taiwan Authority:Time: 13.04Coordinate: 20' 07" N; 123' 01" E5 nm insider Taiwan control border<br /><br />GA.GOV.TW - link<br /><br />That should tell you who was where they were'nt supposed to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-18257495280496358932013-05-13T22:53:22.046+08:002013-05-13T22:53:22.046+08:00to the anonymous commenter who did enumerate a num...to the anonymous commenter who did enumerate a number of alleged atrocities to chinese/taiwanese. What you mentioned are isolated cases and most probably done out of poverty. Have you seen recent events in the US? the mass killings and massacres. In any given country, just google it and you will see many brutal activities but you only single out the Philippines because of one fisherman's death which was regretful but was not brutal and in my opinion is justified. Just in the recent weeks and months, groups of Taiwanese were caught running a sex den in the southern part of the Philippines. Drug factories and dens run by Taiwanese are raided in different parts of the Philippines are common. How about Filipina workers being raped in Taiwan. And don't make it sound like ethnic Chinese are oppressed in the Philippines. The filthy rich there are the ethnic Chinese.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-28883408277784663482013-05-13T21:59:29.264+08:002013-05-13T21:59:29.264+08:00I hate to bring China-Taiwan politics into this, b...I hate to bring China-Taiwan politics into this, but I can't help but think that if China had been responsible for an incident such as this (instead of the Philippines,) the Taiwanese governmental response would probably be much more muted out of fear of offending China.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-73128514801990644412013-05-13T21:55:45.958+08:002013-05-13T21:55:45.958+08:00To Mr. Blogger, Read and know first the Philippine...To Mr. Blogger, Read and know first the Philippine Geography and History before you write a Blog.. Dopnt't be biased to your adopted Country Taiwan. Taiwanese are blood brother's of Chinese.. you know what I mean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-42372991386487384122013-05-13T20:33:19.780+08:002013-05-13T20:33:19.780+08:00Man, it would be great if a video were released. A...Man, it would be great if a video were released. And your other points are well taken. Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.com