tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post6703600383050777230..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Performing the Taiwan IdentityMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-2012875904305096332014-07-11T00:11:19.558+08:002014-07-11T00:11:19.558+08:00My comment about circularity seems to have gone mi...My comment about circularity seems to have gone misunderstood. Rather than being a form of "collective" identity qua Taiwanese nationalism, the participation in cycling and other outdoor activities (if it is not largely due to intrinsic motivations and health values) may in fact be little more than an affirmation of "status" hiding behind the pretense of collective identity, and as such it is what the PC bobbies would call "exclusionary" (that is, if it were being done by people other than themselves).<br /><br />After all, are the Taiwanese people who don't bother with the outdoors somehow not Taiwanese, or less Taiwanese? Of course not. So there you go... at the end of the day, it may just be a bunch of well-off tossers playing dressy-up, and in this case the "clothes" just happen to be Taiwanese nationalism. Mike Faganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745281285031316740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-83488554025831122702014-07-10T12:56:59.329+08:002014-07-10T12:56:59.329+08:00"you're Taiwanese and you do cycling and ..."you're Taiwanese and you do cycling and other outdoor stuff, then... you're Taiwanese? "<br /><br><br><br />Yes.<br /><br><br><br />A cultural identity is like that. You're Taiwanese if you practice Taiwanese culture, and Taiwanese culture is defined by what Taiwanese do. <br /><br><br><br />If one group of Taiwanese start to do one thing different than the rest, then you have individuals within a culture. If one group of Taiwanese start to do many things different, then you have a subculture. If they start to do nearly everything different, then you have a strong case for saying you have two cultures instead of one. But if most Taiwanese start doing very different, then what you have is a change in the culture.<br /><br />In this case it's even more subtle - its not just what the people within the culture are doing, it's what they are doing that separates them from other cultures that matters. Like geishas in Japan, a small group of people performing an activity can help define a culture even if most people in the culture never get involved in that activity so long as the activity is sufficiently different from what other cultures do.<br /><br />Embracing an outdoor lifestyle, with a special emphasis on biking around the country, may not be unique to Taiwan, but it does help distinguish Taiwan from China. And certainly the "around the island" trip is something few other c0untries have. <br /><br />Readinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-71369126592775145772014-07-08T09:29:25.823+08:002014-07-08T09:29:25.823+08:00ain it can all be generational. While outdoor acti...<b>ain it can all be generational. While outdoor activities weren't "the thing" during my youth (I was born in the late 70s), college students in my parents' generation actually had spent their summers attending camps and hikes held by KMT's China Youth Corps.</b><br /><br />That's an interesting and useful observation.<br /><br />MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-37117436487614007122014-07-08T04:00:28.775+08:002014-07-08T04:00:28.775+08:00Long time reader and first time poster. I left Tai...Long time reader and first time poster. I left Taiwan in '07 to study in the States. I discovered your blog earlier in the year and have since depended on it often to keep me updated about the island. Thank you so much for regularly sharing the news and your perspectives.<br /><br />Back to the rise of outdoor activities, I can't help but think this is recent. As someone who had gone camping often in the nineties and the early aughts, I actually often felt like an outlier in my cohort. Now every time I make visits back home, it surprises how popular outdoor activities have become. I suppose Island Etude as well as improved infrastructure/institutions really helped foster this wave of change.<br /><br />But then again it can all be generational. While outdoor activities weren't "the thing" during my youth (I was born in the late 70s), college students in my parents' generation actually had spent their summers attending camps and hikes held by KMT's China Youth Corps.Aspenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15587883132149732457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-46635526851409340602014-07-07T23:34:14.226+08:002014-07-07T23:34:14.226+08:00But I don't; I pointed out that the reasoning ...But I don't; I pointed out that the reasoning is circular and thus irrational. Mike Faganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745281285031316740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-53249398763112390442014-07-07T22:41:44.542+08:002014-07-07T22:41:44.542+08:00Personally, I think that Island Etude (2006) is on...Personally, I think that Island Etude (2006) is only one of the fruits of the "bentuhua" cultural/political movement that has altered Taiwanese aesthetics and sensibilities. The more recent Beyond Beauty: Taiwan from Above (2013) also performs a similar trope in observing Taiwan. Essentially these films espouse love for the homeland, as you correctly observed, in "consuming," not only products but also images of Taiwan. Thematically, we could call the above films, "love films", where the lens lovingly captures the minutiae of Taiwan's landscape, and more importantly, re-invoking Taiwan's ancestral relationship with the ocean and sea (with the majority as descendents of migrants). <br /><br />I would venture to argue that young Taiwanese are not only "consuming" Taiwan, but also reinventing and creating new images and products to share with each other through social media- the Sunflower movement certainly produced an explosion of content in cyberspace. We are still exploring and redefining what it means to be Taiwanese...Pekingesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11625065471095165181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-54881732922462379902014-07-07T21:30:55.816+08:002014-07-07T21:30:55.816+08:00If you think identity processes are rational, then...If you think identity processes are rational, then you're the first.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-25768751240452634572014-07-07T21:10:38.735+08:002014-07-07T21:10:38.735+08:00Not a criticism of the activities themselves or th...Not a criticism of the activities themselves or the people doing them, but it is circular reasoning isn't it? If you're Taiwanese and you do cycling and other outdoor stuff, then... you're Taiwanese? <br /><br />Actually I suspect that, to the extent there is this collective identity thing going on, then it may be largely incidental. I suspect that outdoor tourism is driven largely by outdoor aesthetics that draw more on environmental and health values, with Taiwanese nationalism an add-on. Similar to how firearm practice at the range is driven primarily by practical and aesthetic values and is only secondarily, if at all, an affirmation of collective identity ('Murrica!).<br /><br />Yesterday I drove past scores of cyclists on my way up to Shih Lin weir in Miaoli County and I observed many of the stronger ones literally pushing the weaker ones up some of the rises by what can only be described as the "hand-on-arse" method. That's a practical aspect to group cycling I'd never seen that before. Also the gorge for the Da'an river up into the mountains of southern Miaoli is breathtaking in places. Mike Faganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745281285031316740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-28761794210474170432014-07-07T16:25:41.672+08:002014-07-07T16:25:41.672+08:00Didn't Chairman Mao inspire masses of Chinese ...Didn't Chairman Mao inspire masses of Chinese to swim across rivers (or drown halfway)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-40498348285438017172014-07-07T15:15:37.484+08:002014-07-07T15:15:37.484+08:00Yes, Island Etude sparked the current craze.Yes, Island Etude sparked the current craze.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-43561249879962876742014-07-07T14:11:46.508+08:002014-07-07T14:11:46.508+08:00There is already a film made about Cycling and Tai...There is already a film made about Cycling and Taiwanese identity, Island Etude (2006).Pekingesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11625065471095165181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-16978027015550924452014-07-07T13:41:14.436+08:002014-07-07T13:41:14.436+08:00Very interesting. That'd be a (literally) heal...Very interesting. That'd be a (literally) healthy dose of natinoal identity.<br /><br />Since the Taiwanese cannot wave their flag (which?) and cannot call out their country's name internationally, they naturally need an emotional outlet for self-expression. Using streams of outdoor activities as a constant symbolic group hug is totally in order.<br /><br />And this bunch of creative and peace loving people has been being scorned as "troublemakers" whenver the Chinese claim to have their feelings "hurt"?<br /><br />Chapeau to the Taiwanese!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com