tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post6427750754735511276..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: What did Ma Actually Say about a referendum? It doesn't matter!Michael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-44527313888335500542011-10-25T21:38:58.796+08:002011-10-25T21:38:58.796+08:00les said... “Lack of US comment on this issue is v...les said... “Lack of US comment on this issue is very worrisome. “<br />Les, Les, you are smarter than that. <br />Washington’s comments are unnecessary to who can read. <br />Ma’s attaching the peace treaty proposal to a referendum is in and of itself Washington’s comment. <br />Remember who put the first zongtong in charge of US-occupied Japanese Taiwan. <br />These zongtongs are mere Pu Yis.jeromenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-18994242029919869112011-10-24T19:18:28.202+08:002011-10-24T19:18:28.202+08:00Michael,
Nothing is going to stop any country from...Michael,<br />Nothing is going to stop any country from attaching another. History shows that. When any country launches attack on another, there is always a reason to justify it in the attacker's mind. Methods may vary, including as getting political support from other countries. So nothing is unique to the cross straight issues.<br /><br />GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-48374707071850611162011-10-24T11:42:20.925+08:002011-10-24T11:42:20.925+08:00Lack of US comment on this issue is very worrisome...Lack of US comment on this issue is very worrisome.lesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-38434278491588496082011-10-24T09:26:58.696+08:002011-10-24T09:26:58.696+08:00George, no peace treaty can stop China from attack...George, no peace treaty can stop China from attacking Taiwan. What would stop China from putting the missiles back once a treaty is signed? Nothing.<br /><br />Thus, how could a peace treaty change anything? The US would still have to guarantee the security of Taiwan, the Senkakus, and other areas China wants to annex. Japan could not rest, and Beijing would not give up wanting to annex Taiwan. So all a peace treaty can do is sell out Taiwan's interests while getting nothing useful in return.<br /><br />In any case, Beijing never keeps its agreements.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-7025075472073841582011-10-23T08:52:05.595+08:002011-10-23T08:52:05.595+08:00If the treaty included terms that required the Mai...If the treaty included terms that required the Mainland to remove all missiles and other means of warfare from the Taiwan region, how much support would it get?<br /><br />If the treaty further requested that Taiwan participated in peace keeping of the Taiwan region, what kind of support would it get?<br /><br />How would this Change the Taiwan/US relations? What would be US reaction?<br /><br />This is what we really should be thinking about if we talk politics.<br /><br />I think I should emphasize again that our current Government is smart enough to take these into consideration. The general public needs to get more knowledgeable on the true consequences on a more international scale to really weight the pros and cons for a knowledgeable decision.<br /><br />GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-19065487912383540932011-10-23T01:11:22.264+08:002011-10-23T01:11:22.264+08:00Translations of 和平協議 are also all over the place, ...Translations of 和平協議 are also all over the place, which is a big problem because the choice of terminology has serious implications in the context of international law. See this op-ed in the Apple Daily:http://tw.nextmedia.com/applenews/article/art_id/33753064/IssueID/20111020 <br />Surely, Ma with with his Harvard law degree knows this, and the deliberate choice of 協議 is another tell-tale sign of his 1-China position. And isn't it strange that the website of the Presidential Office does not yet have an English press release about the 和平協議 proposal? Once that is out, international media techincally will not be able to refer to it as a peace "treaty," but whether they will bother with the nuance is another question.Amynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-73225002441200000612011-10-23T00:08:11.138+08:002011-10-23T00:08:11.138+08:00DPP came back with a brilliant move, to legislate ...DPP came back with a brilliant move, to legislate the referendum on any political agreement with China into law. <br /><br />Next day Ma also said media polling and legislature endorsement would sufficiently hand him a consent on the peace agreement. I see the ruse of pushing the peace agreement through the legisltaure or just make up a frivolous polling coming.<br /><br />Ma effectively exposed his referendum precondition as a sham when refusing to pass this legislation. Obviously due to backdoor Chinese pressure and blue backlash. <br /><br />I suggest the DPP push forth a bill on the referendum precondition and further expose Ma's sham.<br /><br />Also the Wu premiere said the unification doctrine of the past government would be the basis of the peace negotiation, and the parties would be the freedom area (Taiwan) versus the mainland area. Great, another statement of Ma being head of area (not state)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-89639741799667793752011-10-22T21:34:39.516+08:002011-10-22T21:34:39.516+08:00Remember that a famous actor joking said the elect...Remember that a famous actor joking said the election is a joke?<br /><br />At least compared against US elections, lots more excitement going on. Hope everyone is having fun.<br /><br />GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-33069383333841827912011-10-22T19:01:13.259+08:002011-10-22T19:01:13.259+08:00Poll in the Taipei Times (National Chengchi Univer...Poll in the Taipei Times (National Chengchi University’s prediction center) suggested Ma's lead over Tsai has now effectively disappeared. Hopefully his blunders over the peace agreement issue have at least in part snookered himself. <br /><br />I think even Taiwanese voters will grasp this is an important issue and Ma being so evasive and contradictory over how the public would have a say will raise doubts in their minds. The DPP needs to keep this going as long as they can whilst still setting out a positive agenda they'd have if they won next year.Rajnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-43416361491474821862011-10-22T16:45:30.962+08:002011-10-22T16:45:30.962+08:00If Ma gets elected by the thinnest of margins he&#...If Ma gets elected by the thinnest of margins he's going to declare a "clear mandate" for his cross strait policies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-35270340943208635422011-10-22T13:28:03.586+08:002011-10-22T13:28:03.586+08:00Ma is obviously going to do an end-run around the ...Ma is obviously going to do an end-run around the referendum to get his way, just as he did with ECFA. Anyone who votes for him has to be hell-bent on annexation or terminally stupid.lesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-47253642178378515262011-10-22T09:53:32.734+08:002011-10-22T09:53:32.734+08:00Heh,
Lot's of stories from the news as we have...Heh,<br />Lot's of stories from the news as we have hear that they have to create based on what little is said.<br /><br />First, to void conflict, you never put yourself in a situation where YOU don't agree. So you set the stage for the possibility that it could go either way.<br /><br />Second, take firm stand on the right issue at the right time. Timing is very important.<br /><br />Come on, this is simple politics. The news guys are dreaming things up, probably their job to do so under reader headcount pressure?<br /><br />GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-32627701718018780772011-10-21T23:34:21.934+08:002011-10-21T23:34:21.934+08:00Yea...I think anyone who actually takes what Ma sa...Yea...I think anyone who actually takes what Ma said serious are either a fool or did not pay attention (or forget) what Ma said back in 2008.<br /><br />And the one written by James Holmes is extremely well done...it points out a very likely faulty assumptions made by a lot of politicians around the world.Dixteelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05689510846926854542noreply@blogger.com