tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post5518592192502070317..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Le Roi Soleil as a Responsible Regional Player: L'Affaire Kitty HawkMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-75323337173944779812007-12-04T02:04:00.000+08:002007-12-04T02:04:00.000+08:00"Wow, somebody in here is suggesting that the Chin..."Wow, somebody in here is suggesting that the Chinese government fouls the environment on purpose and poisons American kids for pleasure..."<BR/><BR/>No, not at all. More like amazement that China can do all the wrong things without trying. Like the bad guys in kid's movies, who in trying to rob a house, slips over a banana, falls down stairs, lands in a pile of garbage and the Christmas tree falls on his head.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-54617480471163268212007-12-01T20:05:00.000+08:002007-12-01T20:05:00.000+08:00Wow, somebody in here is suggesting that the Chine...Wow, somebody in here is suggesting that the Chinese government fouls the environment on purpose and poisons American kids for pleasure...channinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06386334271601532591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-33244378286195800082007-12-01T13:28:00.000+08:002007-12-01T13:28:00.000+08:00Mark didn't mean that China was like Europe. He on...Mark didn't mean that China was like Europe. He only meant that European nations would start treating China as equal to them, relations-wise. <BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-37775833298294046232007-12-01T09:18:00.000+08:002007-12-01T09:18:00.000+08:00Gregory Cl...I mean Mark is right. Once you look p...Gregory Cl...I mean Mark is right. Once you look past the gross human rights violations, the ongoing military buildup, the suppression of self-determination movements in Tibet and Xinjiang and the constant threats to attack Taiwan, China really is a lot like Europe, and should be treated just like any other democratic country governed by the rule of law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-8063303731686469342007-12-01T08:32:00.000+08:002007-12-01T08:32:00.000+08:00I think ESWN was right in saying that the general ...<B>I think ESWN was right in saying that the general market for the demonization of China is slowly shriveling up. Yes, it's still common in parts of Taiwan, and Japan, but most of the world is gradually treating China more and more as an equal, particularly Europe.</B><BR/><BR/>My point was, it isn't a hugger vs demonization issue. <BR/><BR/>Did you see Kerim's post on Rudd. I think he'll be great for East Asia.<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-78107415414557326812007-12-01T04:17:00.000+08:002007-12-01T04:17:00.000+08:00Excellent post. Should be forwarded to the Pentago...Excellent post. Should be forwarded to the Pentagon, for starters. Only problem is: Not everyone in China is playing the same game. Some appear to be stuck in imperial mode, and others are struggling to get to their feet in state mode, not unlike a slippery new-born calf. So, the question: where are the two groups (loosely speaking) positioned throughout the military and political machines? To what extent will this flap affect the fortunes of the two groups?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-26719593439555714732007-12-01T02:32:00.000+08:002007-12-01T02:32:00.000+08:00It is a political game, just like the one we used ...It is a political game, just like the one we used to play with USSR. We won that one. This one we are facing a far trickier opponent. Don't read too much into it. When China invades Taiwan, trust me we, US, will seat and watch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-10182152408465896902007-12-01T02:29:00.000+08:002007-12-01T02:29:00.000+08:00Good article Michael!I think the attitude in the U...Good article Michael!<BR/><BR/>I think the attitude in the US is turning against the Chinese because of all this crap they're pulling. A few years ago there was this polite welcoming feeling for the Chinese..."oh, aren't they exotic, it's nice that they're becoming rich and civilized like us, and we're going to have another best friend like Japan!"<BR/><BR/>These days, it's more like China is doing everything it can to piss on everything Americans hold dear...<BR/><BR/>"Hey Americans! You love your kids? We're going to poison them! <BR/><BR/>You like your big corporations? Well, we just poisoned your kids, so let's make Mattel apologize!<BR/><BR/>You like recycling and the environment? No, not us, we love pollution!<BR/><BR/>You're proud of your military? Let's blow up a few of your satellites and snub the navy!<BR/><BR/>Oh, and wait...Thanksgiving is an American family tradition right? Maybe if we tried hard enough, we can screw them on this one too..."<BR/><BR/>What's next? Burn down churches? Piss on the American flag? <BR/><BR/>Go China!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1989477377343489412007-12-01T02:26:00.000+08:002007-12-01T02:26:00.000+08:00"Now I can't wait to read the Panda Huggers explai..."<B>Now I can't wait to read the Panda Huggers explain how poor little China is misunderstood, and how we Panda Bashers just don't get the new China, and we demonize it.</B>"<BR/><BR/>I think ESWN was right in saying that the general market for the demonization of China is slowly shriveling up. Yes, it's still common in parts of Taiwan, and Japan, but most of the world is gradually treating China more and more as an equal, particularly Europe.<BR/><BR/>Now that "panda hugger" Kevin Rudd, is Australia's new prime minister, they'll likely be taking a less hostile stance towards China as well.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652288045145591799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-11781282551939964692007-11-30T16:22:00.000+08:002007-11-30T16:22:00.000+08:00Anon, that is exactly the point several US officia...Anon, that is exactly the point several US officials made. Each time CHina dicks on the US, it sets into motion administrative and contigency plans that cannot be undone. The sad part is not that China dicks on the US. It is the US Navy's continued expectation that China would come around. How many demonstrations of China's inability to play along do you need before the light dawns?<BR/><BR/>Now I can't wait to read the Panda Huggers explain how poor little China is misunderstood, and how we Panda Bashers just don't get the new China, and we demonize it. <BR/><BR/>Eddy, I don't like the idea of US naval vessels responding to China by docking here. Then we are still playing their game. The trick is to find a move that exits that game, perhaps something like NOT sending KH back to Hong Kong, but instead flying all the fmailies back to Japan and meet the carrier there. You don't want us? Fine. We don't need you, you don't even exist. Flap? What flap? Your actions don't even count as a flap.<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-60573086618352741862007-11-30T15:12:00.000+08:002007-11-30T15:12:00.000+08:00The US Vessels should have come into Keelung or Ka...The US Vessels should have come into Keelung or Kaohsiung Harbor if they ever needed refuge. I'm sure they would have gotten a warm welcome :)Eddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01794420444182222437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-89341108210022326072007-11-30T14:39:00.000+08:002007-11-30T14:39:00.000+08:00hahahahahahaVery well written.hahahahahaha<BR/><BR/>Very well written..https://www.blogger.com/profile/00149149710618430861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-14188219667695501522007-11-30T13:29:00.000+08:002007-11-30T13:29:00.000+08:00The Taiwan excuse is all the more ridiculous in th...The Taiwan excuse is all the more ridiculous in that the desired outcome (making sure the US children know that they have committed a wrong) is completely opposite to the probable short term outcome (the US authorities don't feel China can be trusted to be a responsible military stakeholder, so feel justified in selling a Patriot missile upgrade to Taiwan).<BR/><BR/>China does have my admiration on one point though. They can manage to 1) offend the Navy, the Pentagon, the President (Dalai Lama medal reaction), 2) Vindicate Chen Shui Bian and any sensible Taiwanese through a huge military maneuver targeting them, and 3) Piss off the Vietnamese, all at once. And they can do it through what should have been a PR disaster that was actually, if one believes Beijing's latest excuses, premeditated (because who wouldn't premeditate a PR disaster? That sounds like a lot of fun!). Peifu! Zhen peifu!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com