tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post5061374656673274874..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Nelson Report/Bush-Hu Face to FaceMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-57658937628735237812007-09-07T23:54:00.000+08:002007-09-07T23:54:00.000+08:00Uh-oh! This seems to indicate I was right to doubt...Uh-oh! This seems to indicate I was right to doubt the <I>AFP</I> story! ;-)<BR/><BR/>Here are <A HREF="http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6902999,00.html" REL="nofollow" TITLE="via Guardian UK">the direct excerpts</A> from Bush's speech (coming <I>after</I> the above reports) where he <I>actually</I> mentions Taiwan:<BR/>- - -<BR/><I>Today, our alliances with Australia, Japan, South Korea, Thailand, and the Philippines and our defense relationships with Singapore, <B>Taiwan</B>, Indonesia, and others in the region <B>form the bedrock</B> of America's engagement in the Asia Pacific.<BR/><BR/>[...]<BR/><BR/>We will encourage China to open up its political system and give greater voice to its people. As our relationships with South Korea and <B>Taiwan</B> during the Cold War prove, it is possible to maintain friendships and <B>push toward democracy</B> at the same time.</I><BR/>- - -<BR/><BR/>Never mind that it's that idiot Bush speaking and/or if he means what he says -- the fact is that Bush said <B>these things</B> and not what the <I>AFP</I> story said he did (via James Jeffrey). There was no admonishing of Taiwan to be heard there, but he was clearly doing so towards China. Be sure to check the above link to see what he said about <B>China</B> and about "The expansion of freedom and democracy in the Asia Pacific region," too. You can hear audio excerpts of Bush "gently chid[ing]" China -- as the reporter says -- <A HREF="http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-09-07-voa16.cfm" REL="nofollow" TITLE="VOA.com Wolfson Report">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>Remember, whatever comes out of Hu Jintao's (胡錦濤) mouth is 「<A HREF="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?page=worddictbasic&wdqb=%E8%83%A1%E8%AA%AA&wdrst=1&client=moz-sp-wdb-t-v1" REL="nofollow" TITLE="synonym for 'bullshit'">胡說</A>」.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://indiac.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow" TITLE="It's Not Democracy, It's A Conspiracy!">Tim Maddog</A>Tim Maddoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943522529132663780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-76997572467094443372007-09-07T15:46:00.000+08:002007-09-07T15:46:00.000+08:00No meet up AFAIK.MichaelNo meet up AFAIK.<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-12238104117660546352007-09-07T15:26:00.000+08:002007-09-07T15:26:00.000+08:00Is there going to be the expat meetup in Taipei to...Is there going to be the expat meetup in Taipei tomorrow morning? Haven't seen any emails.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-71078175987987553002007-09-07T09:19:00.000+08:002007-09-07T09:19:00.000+08:00Sort of off topic, but I wanted your opinion, Mich...Sort of off topic, but I wanted your opinion, Michael, one some flyers and Tshirts we are looking to make for the September 15th UNforTaiwan protests here in NYC. Its going to be huge we think.<BR/><BR/>Anyway I'd love you and Tim's ideas on protest materials for us picket people.<BR/><BR/>You could e-mail me at seanitasa(@)gmail.com<BR/><BR/>PREVIEW<BR/>http://unfortaiwan.org/tshirt/preview/unfortaiwan1thumb.jpg<BR/>http://unfortaiwan.org/tshirt/preview/unfortaiwan2thumb.jpg<BR/>http://unfortaiwan.org/tshirt/preview/unfortaiwan3thumb.jpg<BR/>http://unfortaiwan.org/tshirt/preview/unfortaiwan4thumb.jpgAngry Taiwanese Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548464352548182194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-58033617294967049772007-09-07T03:16:00.000+08:002007-09-07T03:16:00.000+08:00The AFP story gives me pause, as it contains no di...The <I>AFP</I> story gives me pause, as it contains no direct quotes from Bush about Taiwan (instead quoting deputy national security adviser, James Jeffrey, who throws in <A HREF="http://taiwanmatters.multiply.com/journal/item/1/Memes_Taiwan_provoke_China" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Who's aiming those missiles (without reason) again?">the "provoking China" meme</A>) and contradicts these reports from <A HREF="http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/sns-ap-bush,0,2502230.story?coll=ny_home_rail_headlines" REL="nofollow" TITLE="''Hu Reassures US on Chinese Products''"><I>AP</I></A>, <A HREF="http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3565057" REL="nofollow" TITLE="''Bush, China's Hu Tackle Thorny Issues''"><I>AP</I> again</A>, <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6981007.stm" REL="nofollow" TITLE="'' Bush and Hu hold 'friendly' talks''"><I>BBC</I></A>, and <A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/06/australia.bush/" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Exact same title as AP's, different content"><I>CNN</I></A>, none of which mention anything about Taiwan.<BR/><BR/>Then again, <A HREF="http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/sns-ap-bush,0,2502230.story?coll=ny_home_rail_headlines" REL="nofollow" TITLE="''Bush, Hu Urge Cooperation on Climate''">this one</A> -- also from <I>AP</I> -- mentions Taiwan (with <I>both</I> <A HREF="http://taiwanmatters.multiply.com/journal/item/2/Memes_Taiwan_renegade_province" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Yo, journa-ma-lists! The PRC flag has never flown over Taiwan.">the "renegade province" meme</A> and <A HREF="http://taiwanmatters.multiply.com/journal/item/3/Memes_Taiwan_and_China_split_in_1949" REL="nofollow" TITLE="They weren't *together* in 1949. How could they 'separate'/'split'?">the "separated in 1949" meme</A> thrown in for <B>bad</B> measure).<BR/><BR/>A veritable "trifecta" of memes! I wonder if the propaganda department was just on an extended bathroom break.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://indiac.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow" TITLE="It's Not Democracy, It's A Conspiracy">Tim Maddog</A>Tim Maddoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943522529132663780noreply@blogger.com