tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post3476417496236440186..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Taiwan Says Hello To Chen YunlinMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-15038341558553937562008-11-07T22:35:00.000+08:002008-11-07T22:35:00.000+08:00Change a few proper nouns and it could be descript...Change a few proper nouns and it could be description of the Republican Convention protests in Minnesota earlier this year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-52215838702648333202008-11-07T16:49:00.000+08:002008-11-07T16:49:00.000+08:00He was politely told by a White House aide that, "...He was politely told by a White House aide that, "In the United States we have to allow them to come out on the street. It is their right."///<BR/><BR/><BR/>sorrry dude but i am still furious about SanFran Olympic run...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-70888621579636510862008-11-07T09:47:00.000+08:002008-11-07T09:47:00.000+08:00Another incident that should be added to the list ...Another incident that should be added to the list is the Freddy incident. Freddy Lim was accosted by police while simply walking down the street. I am sure there are some others that should be noted as well.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13061413827755873948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-58919854938071022322008-11-07T08:29:00.000+08:002008-11-07T08:29:00.000+08:00This reminds me of an anecdote I heard a while bac...This reminds me of an anecdote I heard a while back about a Chinese leader who visited Washington D.C. and complained to the White House staff about the protesters gathered along his motorcade route. <BR/><BR/>He became angry and in an accusitory way asked, "Why are you allowing them (the protesters) to be out on the street?" (where he could see them). <BR/><BR/>He was politely told by a White House aide that, "In the United States we have to allow them to come out on the street. It is their right."<BR/><BR/>This is where Ma's government has shown its true colors. The protests turned violent because the people who were out protesting were made to feel suffocated by their inability to peacefully protest on their own streets in their own country. The police were being used to silence dissent and suspend freedoms of speech.<BR/><BR/>When these fundamental rights are violated by the state, it is perfectly within the citizen's rights to fight for those rights. If there are rights worth fighting for... this is the time to fight. <BR/><BR/>..."It has become a mob demonstration, when the mob tried to step out of the boundary and throw stones at the police on purposely to incite police action against them. I know, I know- you are going to blame that on KMT and Ma too. Taiwan would become a lawless country if Michael and DPP have their way. Who is going to take responsibility for the police hurt by the mob?"...<BR/><BR/>The anon-jerkoff who wrote the above statement is echoing Ma Ying-jiu and James Soong following the Kao Hsiung Incident, when the KMT only reported on police injuries and "the crimes commited against the authorities". At that time every hang nail was sent to the hospital and reported to discredit the demonstrators. The KMT had plants inside the demonstration and sought to incite violence as a pretext for arrests. <BR/><BR/>It is a good thing there is still a group of Taiwanese who will not give up the gains they have made without a fight. This is fundamental for Taiwan's survival.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-71251276483468361472008-11-07T07:29:00.000+08:002008-11-07T07:29:00.000+08:00Haitien, thanks for the news, I had heard about th...Haitien, thanks for the news, I had heard about the hunger strike but just hadn't gotten around to reporting on it, but I will now.<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-37265132183988671712008-11-07T07:27:00.000+08:002008-11-07T07:27:00.000+08:00hsinjung, of course you may use it!hsinjung, of course you may use it!Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-80577125143577573082008-11-07T06:10:00.000+08:002008-11-07T06:10:00.000+08:00The violence and clashes between police and protes...The violence and clashes between police and protesters will likely be blamed on the protesters. But the action that sparked the violence and outrage was the action taken by the police to try to silence people's freedoms of speech and expression.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-86040259249609578962008-11-07T05:06:00.000+08:002008-11-07T05:06:00.000+08:00Ma has really done it this time. Where do we colle...Ma has really done it this time. Where do we collect the 10,000NT bet that he lost? His eagerness to please anyone who is Chinese has shone through as his one singular desire as Taiwan's President. He's really more suited to serve the Communist Party than Taiwan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-64023567108078099852008-11-07T05:04:00.000+08:002008-11-07T05:04:00.000+08:00From reading the major newspapers in the States, i...From reading the major newspapers in the States, it seems that this is not a well-covered event. WaPo did an article on the hotel siege and one on the trade deal, but provided very little details aside from the standardized line about the 1949 KMT-CCP split. <BR/><BR/>How is the event covered in Taiwan? Sitting in Washington, it seems like the DDP and the protesters aren't delivering a clear and unified message. Or am I just too used to the Washington spin control?TCLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00545798771125392092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-79212980594195232132008-11-07T04:47:00.000+08:002008-11-07T04:47:00.000+08:00Hi,Can I forward this article on my blog and faceb...Hi,<BR/>Can I forward this article on my blog and facebook? Thank you very much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-83314628994961025252008-11-07T03:35:00.000+08:002008-11-07T03:35:00.000+08:00All this on Ma's watch with Ma continuing to keep ...All this on Ma's watch with Ma continuing to keep his hands out of it. He's stated he hasn't told the police to do what they've been doing, but at the same time, does not tell the police to STOP what they've been doing. Ma continues to walk his arrogant talk, saying he has never done any wrong thus far in regards to Taiwan's sovereignty.<BR/><BR/>"“I have never yielded on the issues of Taiwan’s sovereignty and Taiwan-centered consciousness,” he said. “As the president of the ROC, I have never made any mistake concerning this.”"<BR/><BR/>He's turning out to be like Bush in that whatever he does is justified in his mind. Whatever he does is right, and whatever the opposition does, is wrong. Ma took a pot-shot at DPP chairwoman, blaming her for the violence in the streets. Is Ma too stupid to know that individuals will be individuals? You will always have those extremes that get stirred up in the emotion to become violent, but Tsai Ing-wen did her part in consistently telling any and all demonstrations to be peaceful.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13864496921909619980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-48119826750808233802008-11-07T03:25:00.000+08:002008-11-07T03:25:00.000+08:00This is a mob demonstration, not a peaceful demons...This is a mob demonstration, not a peaceful demonstration. DPP politicians even openly incited violence. Did ink, eggs, stones, bottles and feaces thrown at the police appeared out of nowhere? It has become a mob demonstration, when the mob tried to step out of the boundary and throw stones at the police on purposely to incite police action against them. I know, I know- you are going to blame that on KMT and Ma too. Taiwan would become a lawless country if Michael and DPP have their way. Who is going to take responsibility for the police hurt by the mob?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-62986832765925657612008-11-07T02:57:00.000+08:002008-11-07T02:57:00.000+08:00Regarding the Executive Yuan protest, here's the o...Regarding the Executive Yuan protest, here's the original site with the statement, which is politically neutral: <A>http://blog.roodo.com/lifeshot/archives/7520277.html</A>Haitienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11217827891794161953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-89724775853888118792008-11-07T02:56:00.000+08:002008-11-07T02:56:00.000+08:00Look at what this officer said: http://www.taipeit...Look at what this officer said: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2008/11/07/2003427945<BR/><BR/>He sounds reasonable but is he?<BR/>Why do they snatch flags from protesters? How can they go into a store to shut down music without giving proper reason?<BR/><BR/>Yea, they are doing their jobs...doing their jobs for China.<BR/><BR/>Protecting visitor?? To the point of violating freedom of speech? If Chen Yunlin saw the flags he would go blind?! Protecting my ass.<BR/><BR/>That's right. Taiwanese are now divided, and one side is working for China. It's sad, but it's true.Dixteelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05689510846926854542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-48797750858855421742008-11-07T02:42:00.000+08:002008-11-07T02:42:00.000+08:00Michael, not sure if you heard about this but ther...Michael, not sure if you heard about this but there's a sit in going on in front of the Executive Yuan right now organized by a group of students and professors, about 500 strong. They're protesting against abuse of the Parade and Assembly Law (集會遊行法) by police to suppress demonstrators earlier on. They've rejected interference from the political parties, including rejecting an offer by the DPP to use their permitted protest site in front of the LY.<BR/><BR/>Their demands include:<BR/>1) Formal apology from President Ma.<BR/>2) Formal apology from Premier Liu.<BR/>3) Resignation of the director of the National Security Bureau.<BR/>4) Resignation of the director of the National Police Agency.<BR/>5) Revision of the Parade and Assembly Law.<BR/><BR/>The police have declared the whole thing an illegal assembly, and have raised the warming placard at least twice... to which the protestors responded with <A HREF="http://campus.creativity.edu.tw/nctu/1106-2/Pages/11.html" REL="nofollow">their own placard</A>. So far, the protestors are very disciplined and everything is peaceful.<BR/><BR/>There's a copy of the protesters' statement and a link to a live webcam <A HREF="http://www.wretch.cc/blog/billypan101/14367753" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Haitienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11217827891794161953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-84241170168724694122008-11-07T01:11:00.000+08:002008-11-07T01:11:00.000+08:00Just arrived from ZhongShan North Rd, where people...Just arrived from ZhongShan North Rd, where people got "strangely" and "kindly" pushed away by the always sweet police forces.<BR/><BR/>I went away from there at 10:30 so missed the big moment, but I can tell you, until the time I left, there was only "audible violence", with hundreds of people using horns to make noise...<BR/><BR/>Lots of foreigners out there too, and, the part I liked the most, lots of young people taking part of the manif, with yellow ribbons around them.<BR/><BR/>Good the Ma administration is letting the youth feel what is like to be under KMT rule....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03599321881459445277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-29567757617190872162008-11-06T23:16:00.000+08:002008-11-06T23:16:00.000+08:00The gift exchange was terrible!! Ma gives Chen a p...The gift exchange was terrible!! Ma gives Chen a piece of pottery and in return Chen gives an unframed picture of a black, green, and brown mutant horse. It looked like something finger painted by a 3 year old.<BR/><BR/>I hope Ma will enjoy looking at that scroll for many years to come.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-32813692257473606712008-11-06T23:13:00.000+08:002008-11-06T23:13:00.000+08:00I'm pleased to say that my favorite news network, ...I'm pleased to say that my favorite news network, Aljazeera, reported in its headline news that there were "tens of thousands of protestors" and showed footage of the struggle between unarmed but zealous protestors and shielded police.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com