tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post2219710327650303403..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Between Sozzled and SoberMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-7920592917813845722011-05-27T09:19:04.233+08:002011-05-27T09:19:04.233+08:00@Jan
You're basically saying what MT says in ...@Jan<br /><br />You're basically saying what MT says in the last paragraph of his post. Fine. But it's not unreasonable to think that the diplomatic agencies of the world should be able to see that there is a difference between the governments on the mainland and on Taiwan and that calling them the same name is stupid. Pace anon 3:44, it sure seems to me that most people in Taiwan don't like being lumped together with the mainland under the "China" designation. Now, this doesn't necessarily imply advocacy of "Taiwan independence". It just reflects the situation right now, that mainland and Taiwan are not the same and language that confuses them should be avoided.Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-59304280403872386572011-05-26T20:12:31.434+08:002011-05-26T20:12:31.434+08:00@D:
The passport of Greece says "Hellenic Re...@D:<br /><br />The passport of Greece says "Hellenic Republic" on the cover and the nationality states "Hellenic". Why? Because there is no "Greek" nationality, what we call the Greek state is the Hellenic Republic.<br /><br />Similarly, Chinese residents of Hong Kong have a passport that has "HONG KONG" printed on the cover. Yet in their nationality field it says "Chinese" .<br /><br />Taiwanese people are Republic of China nationals, there is no such thing as a Taiwanese state that one can be a member of and henceforth a Taiwanese citizen / national.<br /><br />What matters is not the cover of a passport, but the nationality stated inside.Janhttp://freetaiwan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-63084889137389765242011-05-26T03:44:24.731+08:002011-05-26T03:44:24.731+08:00Everyone knows? nice argument.Everyone knows? nice argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-19892572369494560932011-05-25T21:47:50.905+08:002011-05-25T21:47:50.905+08:00@Jan
Doesn't the front of the passport say &qu...@Jan<br />Doesn't the front of the passport say "Republic of China" and then "Taiwan"? And everyone knows "China" is short for "[People's Republic of] China".Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-2897073368728384892011-05-24T22:47:43.817+08:002011-05-24T22:47:43.817+08:00Apparently Japan has responded to this and has mad...Apparently Japan has responded to this and has made this amendment:<br /><br />http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aIPL&ID=201105240009Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-11267729593719464802011-05-24T22:46:33.153+08:002011-05-24T22:46:33.153+08:00Hey, I am Slovenian and I wonder where did you get...Hey, I am Slovenian and I wonder where did you get that info, that our government labeled Taiwan as province of China? I didn't see anything like this in our media. I would like to write about it on <a href="http://slovenia-taiwan.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">my Slovenian blog</a> about Taiwan, I can definitely make noise about it and some media at home might pick it up. But people don't know and don't care about Taiwan in Slovenia, it doesn't matter what we say, really. Same goes for Croatia. And I know that for many years Taiwan is listed under China in all official government websites. <br /><br />However, this February our ex PM Janez Janša visited president Ma and I read some commentators on Forumosa (<a href="http://www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=95748" rel="nofollow">here</a>) making fun f that in the sense that "such small irrelevant politicians visits" Ma. But Janša will most likely be again the next PM in 2012. His party has close ties with Taiwan, a <a href="http://www.slotaiwan.si" rel="nofollow">Club of friendship between Taiwan and Slovenia</a> was established in 1997. He definitely knows Taiwan and the political situation well, but that doesn't mean he will want to anger Beijing, so "officially" Taiwan won't be treated as an independent country that it is, but behind the curtain there will be good cooperation and economic exchange. In this sense I don't see Slovenia any different than other countries. It's a circus show for Beijing, nothing else. Reality is different. Most worrying is what KMT is doing, not other countries, IMHO.TGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15796150972580581810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-27920094931492594602011-05-24T16:00:44.252+08:002011-05-24T16:00:44.252+08:00Maybe that lady should open her passport, it state...Maybe that lady should open her passport, it states "Republic of China" under nationality.<br /><br />The short name for the French Republic is France, for the Federal Republic of Germany it is Germany and for the Republic of Slovakia it is Slovakia.<br /><br />Besides, as R.O.C. authorities rarely ever use Taiwan in a legal context anyways and "Taiwanese" marriage certificates have "Republic of China" written as the nationality, there will not be a problem.<br /><br />It's not like the Japanese authorities wrote PRC, so everybody calm down. If you want a Taiwanese citizenship, establish a Taiwanese state that issues Taiwanese passports.Janhttp://freetaiwan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-57936649647531849002011-05-24T15:06:07.538+08:002011-05-24T15:06:07.538+08:00Great idea but the important question that has to ...<b>Great idea but the important question that has to be answered is how it is possible to trust Taiwanese KMT negotiators handling the meaningful participation now that Taiwan is registered as a province of China in WHO using the WHA-model.</b><br /><br />It's not a matter of trust, and in fact, it's a largely irrelevant question. If the WHO/WHA or any other international body classifies Taiwan as a province of China, there's not a whole lot the KMT (or DPP should they win in 2012) can do about it. They can make a protest, as the KMT already have, but what other options are there really? Decide not to enter negotiations or not to participate? Sure, that could be done but that's not going to stop the international body referring to Taiwan as a province of China. It's just going to mean Taiwan misses out doubly. <br /><br />The downside is the DPP and their supporters wouldn't be able to score cheap political points as they seem to be doing lately, and to some in the opposition, as long as the KMT looks bad it doesn't matter what happens to Taiwan.<br /><br /><b>Blaming the Ma gov't for decisions taken decades ago is kind of silly</b><br /><br />Exactly the same could be said for any international decision that is out of the hands of the Ma govt, the WHA fiasco as a key example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-86029538429656094282011-05-24T13:59:44.554+08:002011-05-24T13:59:44.554+08:00Yea, this type of things are KMT and CCP tactics o...Yea, this type of things are KMT and CCP tactics of creating confusion by covering fact under layers and layers of words and lies. It's like making a huge stinky fart at the dinner table. The chicken might smell nice, but now all you can smell is the fart, not the chicken. Their playing with words that insult my intelligence make me hate them a lot more.Dixteelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05689510846926854542noreply@blogger.com