tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post9037799559200156600..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: China Boycotts Opening Ceremony at Which Ma Appears as PrezMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-71623922727576188242009-07-21T03:42:08.145+08:002009-07-21T03:42:08.145+08:00The show was designed to highlight Taiwan's re...The show was designed to highlight Taiwan's reputation as a "butterfly Kingdom" and to show the richness and variety of ocean life around its shores. The Dawu tribesmen carried their traditional canoes onto the stages. <br /><br />Taiwan invested more than US$220 million dollars into the Games. Many people see the games as an opportunity to stretch the limits of the island's international isolation since only 23 countries currently recognize Taiwan as a nation. <br /><br />The quadrennial games feature 31 sports not included in the Olympic Games, such like airsports<br />(parachuting and sky diving), archery, billiards, canoe polo, sumo and dance. <br /><br />http://scdaily.com/notice/notice_072009_e.htmbig hairy dicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-14388643483882043842009-07-21T00:11:17.451+08:002009-07-21T00:11:17.451+08:00@Richard: It most certainly was allowed in. Yang H...@Richard: It most certainly <i>was</i> allowed in. Yang Hui-ju mentioned on tonight's <i>Talking Show</i> (大話新聞) that she brought one to the main stadium for the opening ceremony, and I got three screenshots of flags earlier this evening: <a href="http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4569/worldgamesrocflags1.jpg" title="Two shirts and a hand-held flag at the softball competition" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9330/worldgamesrocflags2.jpg" title="Taiwan No. 1! Tug-of-war WIN!" rel="nofollow">2</a>, <a href="http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1599/worldgamesrocflags3.jpg" title="Profile shot - Tug-of-war WIN!" rel="nofollow">3</a>.<br /><br />While I don't think that flag is appropriate for Taiwan, the behavior of the organizers is infinitely more democratic than that of Ma Ying-jeou. Remember <a href="http://indiac.blogspot.com/2005/11/pan-blue-version-of-free-speech.html" title="'' The pan-blue version of 'free speech' ''" rel="nofollow">how he dealt with such things</a>:<br />- - -<br /><i>At two international sporting events held recently in Taipei (<a href="http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2005/11/10/2003279540" title="''[T]he reason the pan-blue camp keeps opposing the arms procurement plan is to ''raise China's national flag and lower Taiwan's.''" rel="nofollow">the Asian Short Track Speed Skating championship</a> and <a href="http://etaiwannews.com/showPage.php?setupFile=showcontent.xml&menu_item_id=MI-1123666634&did=d_1131849497_16309_78DDA897F1F7490E943657263ECBFA1657AC789E_2&area=taiwan&area_code=00000" title="'Flag protest breaks out at judo competition'" rel="nofollow">the Sixth Asian Youth Judo Championship</a>), the ROC flag (which I consider to be the flag of an occupying power rather than the "real" Taiwan flag) was replaced by the Olympic flag of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Taipei#Consequences" title="Why is China so afraid of 'Taiwan'? Why is the KMT just as afraid?" rel="nofollow">Chinese Taipei</a> which, due to Chinese pressure, has been flown at the Olympics since 1984. (Being mostly white, it also looks way too much like a surrender flag.)</i><br>- - -<br /><br /><a href="http://taiwanmatters.blogspot.com/" title="Taiwan Matters!" rel="nofollow">Tim Maddog</a>Tim Maddoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943522529132663780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-75639015661042355552009-07-20T17:48:08.113+08:002009-07-20T17:48:08.113+08:00Oh, I'm sure Mr. Ma understands how the Chines...Oh, I'm sure Mr. Ma understands how the Chinese felt about it and realizes they had no choice but to boycott.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-9710394464604843992009-07-20T12:52:12.860+08:002009-07-20T12:52:12.860+08:00The majority of the audience probably didn't n...The majority of the audience probably didn't notice it, but I was right there in the arena when Ron the president mentioned "Chinese Taipei" and Government and Taipei and city of Kaohsiung. It was very unsettling. I served as a attending volunteer for the event and on my badge it printe "TPE," while I've never spent more than 1 week consecutively in Taipei my whole life. A few athletes have raised the question to me and I was glad to explain the origin of this pathetic name with them. What was really sad for me was to see the Taiwanese crowd embracing the "Chinese Taipei" name like it's their precious gem. I felt better after finding out that majority of them identify themselves as Taiwanese, and the Chinese Taipei chant was merely for the cheers with little understanding of what it represents. I wonder how comfortable they are if they found out what's it means and the history of it.<br /><br />By the way, the number of sports should be 31, as the slogan of WG is "30+ games at their best."Hansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-84104013998664287372009-07-19T17:54:11.779+08:002009-07-19T17:54:11.779+08:00"Why would the PRC send a delegation to a &qu..."Why would the PRC send a delegation to a "regional" game. Had the PRC participated they would have legitimized Taiwanese sovereignty over the island. The boycott allows the PRC to continue to deny Taiwan's sovereignty."<br /><br />Yet they did participate in the games. Why not just boycott the whole event? And they still look like hypocrites after all the hooplah over separating sports and politics before the Olympics.Tommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552370490869601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-65070115579779963482009-07-18T22:10:07.611+08:002009-07-18T22:10:07.611+08:00Why would the PRC send a delegation to a "reg...Why would the PRC send a delegation to a "regional" game. Had the PRC participated they would have legitimized Taiwanese sovereignty over the island. The boycott allows the PRC to continue to deny Taiwan's sovereignty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-34436866921171909282009-07-18T14:18:26.524+08:002009-07-18T14:18:26.524+08:00I thought I read that the ROC Flag would be allowe...I thought I read that the ROC Flag would be allowed to be flown in the stadiums?Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13864496921909619980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-77947861251259700262009-07-18T11:54:54.290+08:002009-07-18T11:54:54.290+08:00Did anyone see the shortlist of sports the PRC ath...Did anyone see the shortlist of sports the PRC athletes are participating in: <br /><br />1. The 1000 RMB guanxi handoff<br /><br />2. The Uigur/Tibetean target sharpshooting competition<br /><br />3. The reverse engineer and copy steal.<br /><br />4. The phlegm spittle <br /><br />5. The heavenly buttream (LeinChan position) <br /><br />6. The inflate the stockmarket bubble blow<br /><br />7. The who can speak loudest in small space competition<br /><br />8. The nosepick and earwax dig marathonnot_surenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-50953293710982712122009-07-18T11:38:41.112+08:002009-07-18T11:38:41.112+08:00@Tmaddog - I read that as well and thought, what a...@Tmaddog - I read that as well and thought, what a jackass. It's just makes you wonder why the Taiwanese people put up with this sellout.<br /><br />Another doofus statement was from the World Games guy. In his introduction he said something like...blah blah [b]The Government of Taipei and the City of Kaoshiung[/b] did an excellent job blah, blah blah.not_surenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-20136173072098720232009-07-18T11:21:38.845+08:002009-07-18T11:21:38.845+08:00ROFL to all the wonderful comments here.ROFL to all the wonderful comments here.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-84404261329713849062009-07-18T10:49:23.817+08:002009-07-18T10:49:23.817+08:00The original idea was for all the Chinese athletes...The original idea was for all the Chinese athletes to attend the opening ceremony, but too hold their breath for the whole thing.<br /><br />They just couldn't get it to work in rehearsal.<br /><br />In the end they had to settle for the second-most childish response to this brazen daylight attack on their divine sovereignty.Sean Reillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07882147052586949944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-5556462476044189472009-07-18T07:41:46.558+08:002009-07-18T07:41:46.558+08:00Chinese Taipei Olympic Committee--
gosh, i am sti...Chinese Taipei Olympic Committee--<br /><br />gosh, i am still loling my arse off.. its like Lady Gaga singing about big breasted womens..<br /><br />Chinese just ignored them completly and they still calling themselfes by this horrific name.<br /><br />@Readin<br /><br />--Expressions of nationalism tend to reinforce nationalism, and Ma's appearance at the games helped give rise to expressions of Taiwanese nationalism and re-exposed China's attitude. This will make it harder for Ma to sell Taiwan to China.---<br /><br />LOL.. <br /><br />Ma is CHINESE NATIONALIST. not taiwanese. get it in your brain already!<br /><br />@Dezhong<br /><br />--What I just don't get is why are Taiwanese so nicely playing by the rules.---<br /><br />1: KMT was never playing by rules.<br />2: taiwanese can do nothing because <br />a) chinese can hurt their economy very hard (all chinese nationalist fault to bound it to own enemy)<br />b)USA will stand up and say "you bad, bad kitty! why dont you lick your future masters foots!?"<br /><br />@FOARP <br />--Typical thin-skinned ass-covering communists. They'll probably try to claim this one as a display of principle. --<br /><br />thats how interational relationships do working my best..<br /><br />@anon<br /><br />--So I'm guessing, by their logic, attending would mean a big humiliation for Ma Ying-jeou. Yes... excuse me while I bask in China's love for Taiwan...--<br /><br />chinese just reminded this loser of ocupant that even all his money and "family friends" with deep relationship into the bejings CCP mafia clan will change his position about the being a successor of chinese citizen war loser.big hairy dicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-50782634598938193842009-07-18T07:33:15.789+08:002009-07-18T07:33:15.789+08:00What's the actual effect though? Do Taiwanese ...What's the actual effect though? Do Taiwanese view him as a defender of Taiwanese independence because of this, or do they view him as a lapdog who just got kicked by his masters?StefanMuchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13041616398172997165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-29854225235079873632009-07-18T02:30:22.847+08:002009-07-18T02:30:22.847+08:00But the KMT is selling this as China's and Tai...But the KMT is selling this as China's and Taiwan's relations have reached a high point! They are saying the China, by BOYCOTTING the opening, is showing FRIENDLINESS to Taiwan. Can we say DOUBLESPEAK?!?!?!?! So I'm guessing, by their logic, attending would mean a big humiliation for Ma Ying-jeou. Yes... excuse me while I bask in China's love for Taiwan...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-20875588604997331942009-07-18T00:34:11.875+08:002009-07-18T00:34:11.875+08:00"President" Ma must be laughing up hi em..."President" Ma must be laughing up hi emperor's imperial sleeve at this point, thinking he has put another one over on the clueless public he hopes to deceive.<br /><br />It all hangs on now how long intelligent people remain clueless.<br /><br />The hope now is that a single person lights the candle of another,and another, until the truth of the dawn's sun shines clearly on this beautiful island.<br /><br />One person to another will create a just dawn that must arrive on this land.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03910578748508009992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-87767008053594180102009-07-18T00:17:17.896+08:002009-07-18T00:17:17.896+08:00Typical thin-skinned ass-covering communists. They...Typical thin-skinned ass-covering communists. They'll probably try to claim this one as a display of principle. <br /><br />Now if only there was a super-market chain I could boycott . . .Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-35592432442688098482009-07-17T23:00:38.598+08:002009-07-17T23:00:38.598+08:00I think it's also interesting to note that Ma ...I think it's also interesting to note that Ma was addressed as "President of the Republic of China" during the opening ceremony. That surely would have been too much for any Chinese delegation. You know, reality.<br /><br />What I just don't get is why are Taiwanese so nicely playing by the rules. I mean what could have possibly happened, if at the last moment someone exchanged that denigrating moniker "Chinese Taipei" with the word "Taiwan"?<br /><br />Would an outraged Ma Ying-jeou have left the stadium?Dezhonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08455990462901064903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-18767679720668280292009-07-17T22:29:42.347+08:002009-07-17T22:29:42.347+08:00Half the battle for Taiwan remaining free is for T...Half the battle for Taiwan remaining free is for Taiwanese not to forget that they are free - and to remind them of how little China respects such freedom. You say "Ma gets to look like he is standing up for sovereignty in a way that costs him nothing serious with China but plays very well among local voters". I think it does cost him something. Expressions of nationalism tend to reinforce nationalism, and Ma's appearance at the games helped give rise to expressions of Taiwanese nationalism and re-exposed China's attitude. This will make it harder for Ma to sell Taiwan to China.Readinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-51194481356355677762009-07-17T22:05:28.811+08:002009-07-17T22:05:28.811+08:00I am going to state it again:
I am really disappo...I am going to state it again:<br /><br />I am really disappointed that, under Ma's China policy, Taiwan has been reduced to negotiation around China's "anger". <br /><br />This is all stage managed and the "anger" card is a charade to preclude action or inaction. <br /><br />At least under Chen Shui-bian, China's "anger" was a given that was left to China to remedy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-38825431243625508202009-07-17T22:02:34.185+08:002009-07-17T22:02:34.185+08:00I am wondering why DPP put much effort in inviting...I am wondering why DPP put much effort in inviting Ma to the ceremony. They should have a legitimate reason behind it as well...or do they? :-oDixteelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05689510846926854542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-61249564629621416522009-07-17T21:47:31.822+08:002009-07-17T21:47:31.822+08:00Look what Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Legislat...Look what Chinese Nationalist Party (<a title="KMT = Kuomintang, or 'Killed Many Taiwanese'" rel="nofollow">KMT</a>) Legislator Wu Yu-sheng (吳育昇) <a href="http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/local/kaohsiung/2009/07/16/216574/Chinese-athletes.htm" title="July 16, 2009 - ''Chinese athletes appear to be skipping World Games opening''" rel="nofollow">said in yesterday's <i>China Post</i></a>:<br />- - -<br /><i> Meanwhile, ruling Kuomintang Legislator Wu Yu-sheng said that to the best of his knowledge, China's decision to have its athletes skip the opening ceremony was <b>the result of a brainstorming session between the Chinese Taipei Olympic Committee and Chinese authorities</b>.<br /><br />"The <b>two sides</b> discussed the issue frankly and sincerely before reaching that decision, " Wu said, adding that <b>he fully supports the arrangement</b>.<br /><br />"It's a <b>wise, goodwill decision</b> that will contribute to <b>harmony</b> and the development of relations between our two sides," Wu said.</i>- - -<br /><br />You read that right -- a <a title="KMT = Kuomintang, or 'Killed Many Taiwanese'" rel="nofollow">KMT</a> legislator is vocally <i>supporting</i> the boycott!<br /><br /><a href="http://taiwanmatters.blogspot.com/" title="Taiwan Matters!" rel="nofollow">Tim Maddog</a>Tim Maddoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943522529132663780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-55960231003067648592009-07-17T19:44:25.245+08:002009-07-17T19:44:25.245+08:00Random, slightly related trivia. This is the first...Random, slightly related trivia. This is the first time in World Games history that a president/head of state has presided over the opening. SOP is for the head of the World Games governing body to do it.Craig Fergusonhttp://www.craigfergusonimages.comnoreply@blogger.com