tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post6648019455103926633..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Chinese Vendor Rips off Plurk for MicrosoftMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-68824543609310980482009-12-21T17:38:08.096+08:002009-12-21T17:38:08.096+08:00ATTENTION: The poster here is not Craig Ferguson, ...<b>ATTENTION: The poster here is not Craig Ferguson, but someone stealing his ID.</b><br /><br />What's your evidence for that (besides any personal assertions by Craig otherwise)? What the hell would be the motivation for posting seriously on Microsoft on your blog here? Nothing was said here that was that serious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-51386522188094591632009-12-21T15:46:32.755+08:002009-12-21T15:46:32.755+08:00ATTENTION: The poster here is not Craig Ferguson, ...ATTENTION: The poster here is not Craig Ferguson, but someone stealing his ID.<br /><br />Sorry to all who were mislead. <br /><br />MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-43387825955893203812009-12-21T09:34:52.279+08:002009-12-21T09:34:52.279+08:00Re: Adam, are you in contact with Alvin and Amir? ...Re: Adam, are you in contact with Alvin and Amir? What do you think are the chances of an international web industry cluster springing up in Taiwan?<br /><br />No, I'm not in contact with them (although they sound like fun guys to be in contact with!). I don't know if Taiwan will ever be a big player in the web industry (nor do they need to). The web by definition tends to be quite decentralized.<br /><br />Taiwan has always been the hardware guys. India has always been the software guys. You would think there should be more partnerships between these two countries!Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16591152572015798886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-6311332107642395792009-12-18T18:44:29.637+08:002009-12-18T18:44:29.637+08:00Always ready to troll, huh Craig? Look at Xerox P...Always ready to troll, huh Craig? Look at Xerox PARC. Apple is very far from being inventors of the GUI. You do the research since you are clearly in the wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-7826490293033732009-12-18T09:19:34.891+08:002009-12-18T09:19:34.891+08:00@Anon 12:33
Look at the development of Apple Lisa...@Anon 12:33<br /><br />Look at the development of Apple Lisa. <br /><br />There was also a court ruling in the UK in 2006 or 2007 that touched on the situation. <br /><br />Anyway, the next week is going to be phenomenally busy with work for me, so I probably won't be able to respond to anything.Craig Ferguson (@cfimages)http://www.craigfergusonimages.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-86536041874650847392009-12-18T00:33:40.871+08:002009-12-18T00:33:40.871+08:00Craig, your original comment makes no sense if wha...Craig, your original comment makes no sense if what you really meant was what Anon said. Microsoft stole Plurk's code and exact look. Nothing even close to that happened between Microsoft and Apple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-45006736535926381652009-12-18T00:32:03.040+08:002009-12-18T00:32:03.040+08:00Adam, are you in contact with Alvin and Amir? Wha...Adam, are you in contact with Alvin and Amir? What do you think are the chances of an international web industry cluster springing up in Taiwan?<br /><br />BTW, they are getting slammed on Hacker News for saying they may pursue further legal action. They really need to get someone to copyedit their English even if their main focus is Asia at this point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-30388844921868192042009-12-17T14:35:48.223+08:002009-12-17T14:35:48.223+08:00Good tip Adam.
The Plurks of Alvin and Amir, the ...Good tip Adam.<br /><br />The Plurks of Alvin and Amir, the two founders of Plurk are:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.plurk.com/alvin" rel="nofollow">http://www.plurk.com/alvin</a><br /><a href="http://www.plurk.com/amix" rel="nofollow">http://www.plurk.com/amix</a><br /><br />General web design out here is pretty weak, but there is some web industry rumbling going on in Taipei these days; don't know where it's going (Silicon Valley East?). Are Alvin and Amir attempting to take part in that? Seems really interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-17232318194650838112009-12-17T11:37:28.885+08:002009-12-17T11:37:28.885+08:00I phrased that badly. Anon 7:13pm said it better.I phrased that badly. Anon 7:13pm said it better.Craig Ferguson (@cfimages)http://www.craigfergusonimages.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-48653714893227773522009-12-17T10:31:42.695+08:002009-12-17T10:31:42.695+08:00Re: I wonder why they moved to Taiwan. Because of ...Re: I wonder why they moved to Taiwan. Because of their users?<br /><br />Lower cost of living here in Taiwan and you can hire a work force for a lot less than in Canada. I'm also Canadian and I run my web businesses from Taiwan for the same reason.<br /><br />Another reason is that rather than compete directly with Twitter in North America, they decided to go after the Asian market first, which seems to be working for them.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16591152572015798886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-56237523085390982002009-12-16T23:59:07.515+08:002009-12-16T23:59:07.515+08:00That's a really good point, Adam!That's a really good point, Adam!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15907060405795620941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-63652098095742183532009-12-16T23:52:52.859+08:002009-12-16T23:52:52.859+08:00Adam: Very interesting. It looks like both cofoun...Adam: Very interesting. It looks like both cofounders are in Taiwan, only one of whom speaks some Chinese (Malay-Canadian?). I wonder why they moved to Taiwan. Because of their users?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-79034872488327654612009-12-16T19:52:04.787+08:002009-12-16T19:52:04.787+08:00It seems that Plurk was started by a Canadian who ...It seems that Plurk was started by a Canadian who is now living / based in Taiwan, so it is partly Taiwanese in that sense.<br /><br />This may be the best thing to happen to Plurk, as they are getting major coverage on a lot of major blogs and newspapers. Many readers who didn't know about Plurk before now do!Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16591152572015798886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-50278030363164729842009-12-16T19:18:16.490+08:002009-12-16T19:18:16.490+08:00@Anonymous 1:32 P.M. That's correct. It's ...@Anonymous 1:32 P.M. That's correct. It's a Canadian company. And, while you're definitely onto something about Craig, the less that is said about him the better.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15907060405795620941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-52954514120313578352009-12-16T19:13:15.228+08:002009-12-16T19:13:15.228+08:00"Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, and ME w..."Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, and ME were DOS derivatives, but all other Windows versions are based on the NT kernel, jointly developed at great expense by Microsoft and IBM."<br /><br />Needless to say they (borrowed) heavily from the Macs that Steve Jobs let them borrow to create Apple software.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-42146361862676156562009-12-16T14:20:49.806+08:002009-12-16T14:20:49.806+08:00@Craig: Sorry, but that's just incorrect. Firs...@Craig: Sorry, but that's just incorrect. Firstly, they didn't "steal" DOS, they bought it off a smaller company who determined that the deal was worth it.<br /><br />DOS isn't even in Windows anymore anyway. Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, and ME were DOS derivatives, but all other Windows versions are based on the NT kernel, jointly developed at great expense by Microsoft and IBM.<br /><br />The only case I can really think of regarding Microsoft really ripping someone off was when they licensed Spyglass Mosaic from Spyglass and agreed to pay them a cut of the profits... then rebranded it to Internet Explorer and gave it away free.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-44338841351116146612009-12-16T13:57:31.079+08:002009-12-16T13:57:31.079+08:00"It's amazing that the Chinese vendor did..."It's amazing that the Chinese vendor didn't think anyone would notice. D'oh! Just like my students who copy from Wikipedia...."...<br />Why should they care if there is no consequence whatsoever. Regulatory compliance is merely a joke in China. Plurk should file multimillion dollar litigation lawsuit against MSFT and hold MSFT responsible for it.Maxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-5860801854131633612009-12-16T13:32:03.661+08:002009-12-16T13:32:03.661+08:00Michael, Plurk is not Taiwanese. It's a Canad...Michael, Plurk is not Taiwanese. It's a Canadian company. It's very, very popular in TW and Southeast Asia, but it's not Taiwanese.<br /><br />Craig is always up for speaking very loudly about something he knows nothing about. The very original DOS was licensed by Microsoft, not stolen. Later they bought the rights outright. Further versions were developed themselves and there were several deals for additional utilities, like compression. Windows isn't even based on DOS anymore. Bill Gates might have done a lot of unethical things to maintain his monopoly, but stealing code wasn't one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-63354370365193768542009-12-16T10:33:21.579+08:002009-12-16T10:33:21.579+08:00How ironic! Microsoft complains so loudly about th...How ironic! Microsoft complains so loudly about the difficulties of protecting its own intellectual property in China only to have "its own" product infiltrated by intellectual property stolen by the Chinese from someone else. That must rankle Mr. Gates just a tad.Tommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552370490869601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-88977978705344113802009-12-16T08:14:16.227+08:002009-12-16T08:14:16.227+08:00Nothing new. Microsoft stole most of their origina...Nothing new. Microsoft stole most of their original DOS code that underlies Windows, so this comes as no surprise.Craig Ferguson (@cfimages)http://www.craigfergusonimages.comnoreply@blogger.com