tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post6027913186382583593..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Kuo Kuan-ying = Fan Lan-chin?Michael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-10367689819011920022009-03-17T23:06:00.000+08:002009-03-17T23:06:00.000+08:00claudiajean:Kuo was on point 9 on the Taiwanese of...claudiajean:<B>Kuo was on point 9 on the Taiwanese official spinal system. As soon as Ma got in power, he was given this position in Toronto which is on point 12.</B><BR/><BR/>I read some report that Kuo in one of his articles wrote he got promoted because his participation in the anti-CSB red army was appreciated by the KMT.Taiwan Echohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17018124148446093746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-47156674749247090282009-03-17T16:40:00.000+08:002009-03-17T16:40:00.000+08:00Thomas,You're right on. The other half would be th...Thomas,<BR/><BR/>You're right on. The other half would be that the object can never fully jump the gap from the colonized to the colonizer while maintaining their distinction as separate; colonial taint. The experience of being colonized is enough to result in this form of othering. <BR/><BR/>The "civilizer" has no intention of ever seeing the object of his desire "completed", but rather in a constant process of tutelage and "improvement". <BR/><BR/>As long as the civilizer dangles the carrot of completion, he has cause to continue his project.<BR/><BR/>Chinese nationalism borrows some core beliefs from racialism and biological determinism, therefore asserting some peoples are incapable of "improvement" and justifying their perpetual domination. Chinese nationalism as it stands, IS a racist ideology and that is why Taiwan needs to reject it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-86484292724685732842009-03-17T10:52:00.000+08:002009-03-17T10:52:00.000+08:00Alas I don't have time to blog on this but the blu...Alas I don't have time to blog on this but the blue press (UDN, China Times) yesterday and today have been full of apologists for Kuo. Kuo's rights to free speech are being trampled on, the DPP legislators and bloggers who have brought the case to the public's attention are fomenting ethnic strife, and the DPP was silent when people in Tainan allegdly told 'Chinese pigs to piss off back home' during the Red Shirt marches.<BR/><BR/>One of their own has been caught expressing widely held derogatory views of Taiwanese and Taiwan. But anyone who dares suggest that there is prejudice against Taiwanese in WSR circles is fomenting ethnic strife.<BR/><BR/>It's as if anyone who suggested that there might be white racism in the US south was encouraging anti-white sentiment.Michael Faheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11057491107522344042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-53692992840383727642009-03-17T09:57:00.000+08:002009-03-17T09:57:00.000+08:00"Of course, we now know that terms like "backward ..."Of course, we now know that terms like "backward vs. advanced", "primitive vs. modern", "higher vs. lower" are all pejoratives that were invented by colonists to locate the object of their desire on a trajectory of advancement to demonstrate the "object's" ability to be "civilized/tamed".<BR/><BR/>Yes, but I think they also could serve to reduce the colonised people to such a low status that the sin of colonisation of their land is expiated. This goes hand in hand with Dixteel's claim that this is outright racism.<BR/><BR/>To me, when one demeans a group of his own countrymen/women in this way, the speaker is not indicating that the object of his criticism can be civilised. Had he said something like, "Those Taiwanese hokies need a hand to guide them. They would be lost without us, and with a little help, they will be on the right path," the potential for this statement to indicate prospects for advancement would be clearer.Tommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552370490869601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-86671708945722454702009-03-17T06:57:00.000+08:002009-03-17T06:57:00.000+08:00Claudia, that's very interesting. Thanks for the c...Claudia, that's very interesting. Thanks for the comments.Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-31829029703864160032009-03-17T00:38:00.000+08:002009-03-17T00:38:00.000+08:00In some of Fan's articles, Fan also called Taiwan ...In some of Fan's articles, Fan also called Taiwan a renegade province of China, expressing the view that Taiwan is not a country. He said that he wished for PRC to 'wash Taiwan with blood'. The term 臺巴子 'Taiwanese rednecks' is actually commonly used by the real Chinese, rather than mainlanders in Taiwan. As I grew up in Taipei, I knew a lot of mainlanders who actually showed superior attitudes and called Taiwanese all sorts of names and 臺巴子 was never one of them. I wonder what sort of association he has with PRC or what his views are towards PRC as he seems to adopt the PRC propoganda against Taiwanese. If Fan really is Kuo, whose interest is promoting or representing in his official position in Toronto? <BR/><BR/>Furthermore, Kuo was on point 9 on the Taiwanese official spinal system. As soon as Ma got in power, he was given this position in Toronto which is on point 12. Why was he given such a huge promotion and by whom? When Chen, Shui-bian gave one of his close aides a big promotion, he was immediately attacked but pro-KMT media don't seem to question Kuo's credential and the justifications for Kuo's big promotion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-81121703512189525362009-03-16T23:17:00.001+08:002009-03-16T23:17:00.001+08:00This IMO is not just colonialism but out right rac...This IMO is not just colonialism but out right racism. I think you can call this a sort of "Chinese Supremecy" view. It's worth to note that not all mainlanders are like that. A lot of them I met aren't. But what I noticed is that those who are closer to the KMT system in the past and present are more like that. Like I said before in a lot of respect KMT is similar to the German Nazi.<BR/><BR/>Because of this, their view are often twisted...because they just have trouble accepting historical truth and current reality due to years of brain washing, thinking they are the "superior race." <BR/><BR/>It's good though that these kind of people get revealed. People can see the side of KMT that is beyond ugly, and notice this kind of problem in Taiwan, that is there for decades but few talk about it. <BR/><BR/>The thing I am worried about is that this guy is only a tip of an iceberg. I am sure a lot more of these KMT racist are out there as diplomats of Taiwan. They will do a lot of harms to Taiwan while getting paid by Taiwanese...hmm...how ironic.<BR/><BR/>And sometimes you wonder how much do these A-Holes' influence the US and Canadian officials, for example??Dixteelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05689510846926854542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-46890788789012530412009-03-16T21:20:00.000+08:002009-03-16T21:20:00.000+08:00"the notoriously corrupt and double-dealing Chen Y..."the notoriously corrupt and double-dealing Chen Yi, Chiang's pick for governor of Taiwan, was actually an upright civil servant who loved the people"<BR/><BR/>Funny. My Political Development of Taiwan professor said last week that Chen-Yi was 'clean' and 'not corrupt at all', almost 'incorruptible'. But then he also admitted that his father was a Chinese War Lord which leads me to suspect, given filial piety, that although he claims to be 'independent' it was a ruse to avoid being cast as a pro-ROC colonisation. He couldn't admit to ROC colonisation because he said that technically there could be no colonisation after 1945 because that was when it 'officially' ended.<BR/>He said this was according to the legal definition of colonisation. I said what about an academic, empirically based definition? No answer, just weak awkward smile and time over.Ben Gorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215358295386075741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-57689638012555030422009-03-16T16:34:00.001+08:002009-03-16T16:34:00.001+08:00Mainlanders in Taiwan have expressed some really w...Mainlanders in Taiwan have expressed some really weird things to me. How they think they are more cultured, grew up much wealthier, think they are the "Jews" of China (whatever that means), think that they are part of some elite crowd that are elites in both Taiwan and China...<BR/><BR/>Kuo has definitely been up to no good. His responses to the media have been self-contradictory already; you should listen with your own ears to how he says it too, his voice is someone with something to hide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-8526900746296759952009-03-16T16:34:00.000+08:002009-03-16T16:34:00.000+08:00The term is meaningless outside of Chinese nationa...<B>The term is meaningless outside of Chinese nationalism.....</B><BR/><BR/>Nice.....Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-29062789515459739312009-03-16T14:36:00.000+08:002009-03-16T14:36:00.000+08:00This is part of KMT/ROC state ideology. The ROC is...This is part of KMT/ROC state ideology. The ROC is structured around a framework which posits that the highly centralized Chinese nationalist ideology is "modern" and "advanced" in contrast to the "degraded" peoples. In any case where local/indigenous systems or beliefs conflicted with the grand centralized Chinese nationalist definitions of "Chinese culture", the offending culture was eliminated or suppressed. <BR/><BR/>Of course, we now know that terms like "backward vs. advanced", "primitive vs. modern", "higher vs. lower" are all pejoratives that were invented by colonists to locate the object of their desire on a trajectory of advancement to demonstrate the "object's" ability to be "civilized/tamed" and "improved". It provides the reasoning/excuse to engage in a civilizing/colonizing project. <BR/><BR/>This is exactly how we should view the ROC and Chinese nationalism in general, an ongoing civilizing project that seeks to define the terms of modernity and engage in the acts of transforming their object into something "better". This process is going on in Taiwan to this day and well as in China's peripheral regions. <BR/><BR/>The education system in Taiwan is a major tool for the elimination of local/indigenous beliefs to make way for the "object's" eventual acculturation and assimilation into the invented traditions of Chinese nationalism. <BR/><BR/>Many foreigners accept the concepts of monolithic state "Chineseness" as there is a lack of a public alternative and when in contact with the locals the education system had made many locals believe in the myth of "our ancient Chinese culture". KMT domination of the propaganda machine hasn't helped either. In reality, Chinese culture is a phantom from a more recent concept, projected back anachronously through time to fulfill nationalist goals. The term is meaningless outside of Chinese nationalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-22729626325191919322009-03-16T13:57:00.000+08:002009-03-16T13:57:00.000+08:00The irony, as a source in Toronto's Taiwanese comm...The irony, as a source in Toronto's Taiwanese community informs me, is that the majority of Taiwanese expatriates there are pan-green. The articles — whoever penned them — were not well received there. <BR/><BR/>Of course, a great number of Chinese expats also live in Toronto, in suburbs like Markham, so I guess Kuo/the author(s) was/were reaching out to them more than to Taiwanese.J. Michael Cole 寇謐將https://www.blogger.com/profile/12125612369359079447noreply@blogger.com