tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post549567488089224869..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Links and Comments for ThursdayMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-7650574314060747612016-07-07T19:25:20.879+08:002016-07-07T19:25:20.879+08:00Thank you for this very long comment. Originally y...Thank you for this very long comment. Originally you claimed:<br /><br /><b>I am writing you as I hope you can correct your statement that PRC citizens who marry Taiwanese can hold both citizenships. This is factually incorrect</b><br /><br />Actually, it is factually correct, as you now write:<br /><br /><b>Firstly, it is impossible for PRC citizens to give up PRC nationality pursuant to Article 10 of the PRC Nationality Law (refer to http://www.npc.gov.cn/englishnpc/Law/2007-12/13/content_1384056.htm for the official text of the law), as the PRC does not recognise a separate Taiwanese nationality.</b><br /><br />First you claim it is impossible for PRC citizens to have both nationalities, then you claim it is impossible for them not to. You can see why there is so much confusion on this issue.<br /><br />I thank you for this information. The situation is much clearer to me. In the future I will add this caveat.<br /><br /><b>What does that mean in real life? In real life newly Taiwanese Chinese spouses cease to have any different rights in China than the average Taiwanese.</b><br /><br />That is not the issue, though. <br /><br /><b>Secondly, the naturalisation process differs due to domestic Taiwanese law. Likewise, the ability of overseas Chinese without any connection to Taiwan is rooted in domestic Taiwanese law. That is something Taiwanese parliament could easily change, especially now that the pan-green coalition holds a comfortable majority. I hope parliament will change this, as now there is no excuse such as the KMT blocking bills.</b><br /><br />I hope so too. I do not like being a third class foreigner, and I can't even imagine how the foreign workers feel. <br /><br />Michael<br /><br /><br /><br /> Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-91763850104235343892016-07-07T18:36:08.522+08:002016-07-07T18:36:08.522+08:00Dear Mr Turton,
I appreciate you took the time to...Dear Mr Turton,<br /><br />I appreciate you took the time to reply to my comment. I will now briefly comment on the issues you have brought up.<br /><br />Firstly, it is impossible for PRC citizens to give up PRC nationality pursuant to Article 10 of the PRC Nationality Law (refer to http://www.npc.gov.cn/englishnpc/Law/2007-12/13/content_1384056.htm for the official text of the law), as the PRC does not recognise a separate Taiwanese nationality. In that regard, the PRC acts in a manner similar to Japan; the Japanese government also does not release their citizens in the process of acquiring Taiwanese nationality. In Japan's case, the Taiwanese nationality law provides for an exception to the usual renunciation requirement: applicants who are unable to gain approval from their home country may still become Taiwanese. Unlike the case of Japan however, which will still issue passports to its Taiwanese-Japanese dual citizens, the PRC will no longer issue ID cards and passports (aside from the Taibaozheng that all Taiwanese receive). <br /><br />What does that mean in real life? In real life newly Taiwanese Chinese spouses cease to have any different rights in China than the average Taiwanese. They also face the consequence of losing their Taiwanese citizenship in case they try to regain citizenship rights in China. Whereas any other foreigner can re-gain his former citizenship without repercussions from the Taiwanese government.<br /><br />Secondly, the naturalisation process differs due to domestic Taiwanese law. Likewise, the ability of overseas Chinese without any connection to Taiwan is rooted in domestic Taiwanese law. That is something Taiwanese parliament could easily change, especially now that the pan-green coalition holds a comfortable majority. I hope parliament will change this, as now there is no excuse such as the KMT blocking bills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-75035187159871221312016-07-07T18:07:32.345+08:002016-07-07T18:07:32.345+08:00And plenty of ethnic Chinese overseas have ROC pas...And plenty of ethnic Chinese overseas have ROC passports even thought they have never set foot in Taiwan. Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-4894235482252388012016-07-07T18:06:23.529+08:002016-07-07T18:06:23.529+08:00Also, there is a different process for them to &qu...Also, there is a different process for them to "naturalize" -- they just establish household registration. They have a totally different status than I do. Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-90630560360628428242016-07-07T18:04:19.606+08:002016-07-07T18:04:19.606+08:00Firstly, Chinese spouses who wish to obtain Taiwan...<b> Firstly, Chinese spouses who wish to obtain Taiwan ID cards and Taiwan passports are required to relinquish their household registrations in China, which means they can no longer apply for PRC ID cards and PRC passports. </b><br /><br />But they are still citizens of China. They do not need to go through a renunciation process like us second and third class foreigners. <br /><br /><b>Therefore, it is impossible to legally hold both a Taiwanese passport and a Chinese passport.</b><br /><br />But it is legally possible to hold a Taiwanese passport and Chinese citizenship. <br /><br />Michael<br /><br />Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-91238670445741404082016-07-06T22:31:24.663+08:002016-07-06T22:31:24.663+08:00Dear Mr. Turton,
I am writing you as I hope you c...Dear Mr. Turton,<br /><br />I am writing you as I hope you can correct your statement that PRC citizens who marry Taiwanese can hold both citizenships. This is factually incorrect. Firstly, Chinese spouses who wish to obtain Taiwan ID cards and Taiwan passports are required to relinquish their household registrations in China, which means they can no longer apply for PRC ID cards and PRC passports. Secondly, if they should decide to still apply for such documents, this will automatically invalidate their Taiwan citizenship (as per Regulations governing Relations between People from the Taiwan Area and People from the Mainland Area as well as the Passport Act of Taiwan). Therefore, it is impossible to legally hold both a Taiwanese passport and a Chinese passport. You may inquire with the NIA or a lawyer of your choice, but please stop spreading incorrect information.<br /><br />Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-7331617910521746442016-07-03T21:36:00.970+08:002016-07-03T21:36:00.970+08:00NOPE. Bar Navi, you better look that up. There are...NOPE. Bar Navi, you better look that up. There are many useful sites, but start with the Wiki on ROC immigration and naturalizationMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-41585329710218756272016-07-02T17:51:58.660+08:002016-07-02T17:51:58.660+08:00Blogger B.BarNavi said...
Chinese who marry Taiwan...<b>Blogger B.BarNavi said...<br />Chinese who marry Taiwanese have to give up their PRC citizenships, actually. I did the research myself.</b><br /><br />Seriously? I thought I had looked that one up...Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-34622868883224992642016-07-02T15:02:02.156+08:002016-07-02T15:02:02.156+08:00We will be there, Taiwan ! We will be there, Taiwan ! Skylight Taiwanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05485302886814835544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-57376357579171014462016-07-02T01:57:31.423+08:002016-07-02T01:57:31.423+08:00That is an interesting titbit from the Business In...That is an interesting titbit from the Business Insider piece, if true: "Brexit is likely to make matters worse for Taiwan, since it has the highest revenue exposure (15%) to Europe among Asian countries, resulting in further earnings downside risks."Formosa Coweaterhttp://the6thdimension.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-30749204561588489332016-07-01T18:54:26.291+08:002016-07-01T18:54:26.291+08:00Hmm....Taiwan Navy launched a missile this morning...Hmm....Taiwan Navy launched a missile this morning "by mistake". <br />Many people are leaning toward two explanations:<br /><br />1. Taiwan Navy severely lack discipline and training<br /><br />2. Some member of military wants to create problem with China that might lead to military coup?<br /><br />Either way, Taiwan has enormous problem with the military.<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-76171796643958911472016-07-01T11:55:10.217+08:002016-07-01T11:55:10.217+08:00Chinese who marry Taiwanese have to give up their ...Chinese who marry Taiwanese have to give up their PRC citizenships, actually. I did the research myself.B.BarNavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07860632239759681393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-69317998462130841372016-07-01T01:08:47.691+08:002016-07-01T01:08:47.691+08:00I wouldn't want to be an "ROC" citiz...I wouldn't want to be an "ROC" citizen. At the very least, I'm waiting for the official name of the country to be changed.<br /><br /><a href="http://taiwanmatters.blogspot.com/" title="Taiwan Matters!" rel="nofollow">Tim Maddog</a>Tim Maddoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943522529132663780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-71185949285274680662016-06-30T22:42:45.854+08:002016-06-30T22:42:45.854+08:00UBS recommends selling Taiwanese equities
http://...UBS recommends selling Taiwanese equities<br /><br />http://www.businessinsider.com/ubs-on-the-assets-to-avoid-in-the-aftermath-of-brexit-2016-6Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-39433942437712988722016-06-30T20:05:06.146+08:002016-06-30T20:05:06.146+08:00When Kavalan gains domestic fame, which will happe...When Kavalan gains domestic fame, which will happen sooner than later, Taiwanese will line up in queues for boba whisky milk tea :-)an angry taiwanesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-37654321810331956782016-06-30T19:35:35.375+08:002016-06-30T19:35:35.375+08:00Where can we learn about the reasons why the gov&#...Where can we learn about the reasons why the gov't has upheld citizenship renunciation?Marcnoreply@blogger.com