tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post2694044215927622914..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Vietnamese Woman Rendered Stateless in cruel, hypocritical, racist actMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-18948457824406779802014-01-03T00:54:39.308+08:002014-01-03T00:54:39.308+08:00I just find it hard to believe people of South Pac...I just find it hard to believe people of South Pacific are actually from East Asia.<br /><br />Where can I read about the dismissal of Contiki thoery? This theory was based on sea currents, as during the voyage of Contiki, they realised that the craft was designed to adopt to and follow the current.<br /><br />Coconuts from South America also followed sea current to South Pacific. At least I read something about the genetic trails. And in Australia, even the aboriginals had collected coconuts on seashores, but coconuts never got chance to take root there, as they were all eaten before the arrival of Europeans. And if the migration was based on sea current, so why while the coconuts floated all the way to Australia, people who built crafts never follow the sea current to Australia?<br /><br />But it is clear that Maori have always treated potato and kuma as two different species, while Europeans had confused the two.1stCMalaysiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09488182963019120161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-39353331270959239352014-01-02T17:31:26.662+08:002014-01-02T17:31:26.662+08:00The KonTiki theory has been dismissed. There was a...The KonTiki theory has been dismissed. There was a paper out in the last few years showing evidence of some trade of chickens for some woman in the location of modern Chile, with their small genetic contribution evident. Kumaras or sweet potato/yam has a less clear trail. Migration and travel around the vast distances of the Pacific is possible with the seasonal winds, but not in the directions of the KonTiki, and this also makes a large barrier to jump from NZ to Autralia, but not from Hawaii, down and across, or similar location and routes, which are more sizable, but have favorable wind patterns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-49848788432900368692013-12-25T23:17:36.257+08:002013-12-25T23:17:36.257+08:00It's the other way around.
Both waves were su...It's the other way around.<br /><br />Both waves were supposed to come through Taiwan and spread out to the Pacific.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-74215358619206576442013-12-24T23:04:26.989+08:002013-12-24T23:04:26.989+08:00To Anon 'I got DNA done with NG project':
...To Anon 'I got DNA done with NG project':<br /><br />Which wave of native Kiwis are related to Taiwanese aboriginals? Contiki had proven that back in the ancient time, people had actually made the sea voyage all the way from South America to South Pacific; though no one ever asked and answered why they missed Australia. Kiwis call sweet-potato kuma, which is the same name as in Peru, and according to Maori legend, Hawaiiki is the home-land, the land they lived before moving to New Zealand. Hawaii and Hawaiiki, see the relationship? But according to the theory of the man who built Contiki, that there were 2 waves of migration to South Pacific, first wave got paler skin, second wave got darker skin.A nanotizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13262655169000289682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-26158243281610555622013-12-23T08:15:32.561+08:002013-12-23T08:15:32.561+08:00I got DNA done with NG project..
http://shop.nat...I got DNA done with NG project.. <br /><br />http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/browse/productDetail.jsp?productId=2001246&gsk&code=SR90002&keyword=home+dna+testing&OVMTC=Broad&site=&creative=29302856657&OVKEY=home%20dna%20testing&url_id=163250297&adpos=1t2&device=c&gclid=CPzXoduHxbsCFbB9OgodVmkAsg<br /><br />also, if you are interest to know.. New Zelander's ancestry are tie to Native Taiwanese..<br /><br />http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/made-in-taiwan-2006<br /><br />Peace, Love and Running Rabbit!!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-12585085006546195962013-12-22T23:32:37.352+08:002013-12-22T23:32:37.352+08:00Hoklo, Hakka, Waisheng, Aborigine
How long has bee...Hoklo, Hakka, Waisheng, Aborigine<br />How long has been kind of classification been in existence? I only aware of Hoklo recently, puzzled by what it means.<br />Anyone know where I can get a detailed explanation? In either Chinese or English is OK.A nanotizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13262655169000289682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-43808667842913386182013-12-22T23:27:26.094+08:002013-12-22T23:27:26.094+08:00To Anon who was born in Taiwan:
Where did you got ...To Anon who was born in Taiwan:<br />Where did you got you DNA test? And how did the lab get the base data?<br /><br />I am not surprised that your DNA test shows you have a mixed ancestry, this is actually an accepted fact for all the people who live like and believe they are Han. Population in northern part of PRC are most likely to have ancestry of Mongolian, Eastern Europeans, Russians, Koreans; while population in southern part of PRC, and Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, are likely to have the ancestry of the original natives.<br />And Dutch gene, well that means one of your parents must be aboriginal, and while Dutch had their forts in Taiwan, must had cross-breeded with the locals, and one of the off-springs became your ancestor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-28749446279504991792013-12-19T00:21:56.921+08:002013-12-19T00:21:56.921+08:00I was born in Taiwan, for 30 years I was a Proud ...I was born in Taiwan, for 30 years I was a Proud Chinese.<br /><br />until I got my DNA test back. makes me wonder. 98% Han Race in China, how much of it , is true?<br /><br />I look like typical east Asian, but underline, with lot's of other "minor" asian race, not just han. Mongol, Tajik, Aboriginal, Dutch??!!!! I mean common Dutch!!!!<br /><br /><br />:)<br /><br />all it's well.. I think that women and her daughters can be brain washed just like rest of Taiwanese, in 20-30 years, they will believed that they are indeed 100% pure Chinese , just like Lien Chen and Ma. (Ma it's a hui )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-9920086032080928012013-12-18T10:29:10.089+08:002013-12-18T10:29:10.089+08:00This is one of those cases where I'd love to s...This is one of those cases where I'd love to see the ROC's ideal of 'reciprocity' turned against it. Imagine how many Taiwanese businessmen would be coming home in shame from places like Vietnam and China if their philandering was exposed.lesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-60602108345681698952013-12-17T13:04:54.935+08:002013-12-17T13:04:54.935+08:00I don't think I am missing the bigger picture ...I don't think I am missing the bigger picture of your comment to be fair.<br /><br />The requirement that foreigners drop our original citizenship to attain ROC citizenship <i>is</i> unfair and should be dropped. Is the nature of this requirement racist? For sure. <br /><br />Is it the most important issue for anyone who has been here a long time? Not necessarily; I can see myself making future trips home to Britain for a month or maybe two, but not much longer than that.<br /><br />Do foreigners like us need to become more aware of our special ethnicity and demand special "protections" akin to the Aborigines? No, we just need one of the requirements for ROC citizenship dropped. The case for that can be made, and has already been made, by simply pointing out the unnecessary problems it causes for particular people.<br /><br />Certainly, the unfairness of the requirement should be fought, but I just don't think it should be fought on the grounds of ethnic identity and group rights. We are not walking skin-bags to be identified by the colour of our skin and the different linguistic noises we make.Mike Faganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745281285031316740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-91078860528660769332013-12-17T11:07:11.707+08:002013-12-17T11:07:11.707+08:00@anon -
No disrespect, but open your eyes to see ...@anon - <br />No disrespect, but open your eyes to see the evidence. <br /><br />And this statement is a bit naive when it comes to Israelis in important positions in the US.gov and FED: <i>but the foreign citizenship would not generally have any effect while the dual national is in the USA.</i><br /><br />Take a look at CFR and the majority of the people that have been advising the last presidents going back to at Wilson. Most recently, the appointment of Fisher as vice-chairmen of the FED. (yeah, I know the FED is a private corp)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-67437145467643806292013-12-17T10:23:53.316+08:002013-12-17T10:23:53.316+08:00I think the heart of the matter is an ipso facto c...I think the heart of the matter is an ipso facto change of her citizenship status. Any challenge to her motives for citizenship should have been made prior to citizenship being granted. Once the papers were stamped (And I am sure there were ten dozen stamps required), she should have been regarded, under the law, as a citizen. The frightening fact is that she was not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-36210940334819974252013-12-17T09:38:49.108+08:002013-12-17T09:38:49.108+08:00I'm no fan of Israel, but the U.S. treats dual...I'm no fan of Israel, but the U.S. treats dual citizenship with Israel no differently than dual citizenship with other countries--i.e., there is no law against it, but the foreign citizenship would not generally have any effect while the dual national is in the USA. If you mean that the purpose of this newly-permissive legal stance is primarily to allow U.S.-Israeli dual citizenship, then I would be interested to see evidence. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-43446087999923031292013-12-17T08:27:58.905+08:002013-12-17T08:27:58.905+08:00@MFagan,
Is not the answer to visa issues the APR...@MFagan, <br /><i>Is not the answer to visa issues the APRC and the open work permit?</i><br /><br />No, that is not the answer. A APRC becomes invalid if you leave the country for more that 180 days. It is not permanent. <br /><br />Besides, you are missing the bigger picture of my comment. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-26298190475416055412013-12-17T01:54:55.256+08:002013-12-17T01:54:55.256+08:00i'm not sure how the government can legislate ...i'm not sure how the government can legislate a test against fake marriages, but that's prolly the basis for the morals code. the way the Vietnamese karaoke girls carry on in my neighborhood, it's pretty clear that those marriages aren't real. we could stand to have a few of those girls pack up and leave.MJ Kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16859263977094071677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-8181547268621148962013-12-16T23:53:35.118+08:002013-12-16T23:53:35.118+08:00"This is definitely THE most important issue ...<i>"This is definitely THE most important issue for anyone that has been here for a long time, not married, and has to deal with visa issues after years of positive contributions (and tax payments) to this society."</i><br /><br />Is not the answer to visa issues the APRC and the open work permit? That pretty much solves visa issues at a stroke does it not? An APRC also makes it possible for you to own property and own a business. <br /><br />Insofar as I can tell, the only additional benefits to citizenship over an APRC have to do with voting and having children (custody in case of divorce, getting them into the catchment area for "good" schools and so on). Whilst these things will very likely be important to those with children (and those obsessed with Taiwan's politics), they're not something I would be particularly bothered about even if I would no longer be required to renounce my British citizenship to get them.<br /><br />I've got no objection to the renunciation condition being dropped, as it <i>is</i> clearly unwarranted and bigoted, but I would be surprised if there weren't other long-term foreigners here who are similarly indifferent to the principle benefits of ROC citizenship.Mike Faganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745281285031316740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-63338348647729208122013-12-16T22:54:54.356+08:002013-12-16T22:54:54.356+08:00Michael, thanks for posting this up, it deserves t...Michael, thanks for posting this up, it deserves to be publicised more, it's filthy racism at heart.HHIInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-82918362500995131622013-12-16T19:42:16.564+08:002013-12-16T19:42:16.564+08:00Of course, part of the unfairness in dual citizens...<b>Of course, part of the unfairness in dual citizenship is America's fault. We allow dual citizenship primarily for Israelis, thereby letting Taiwanese and others squirm through this loophole.</b><br /><br />Hadn't thought of it that way.<br /><br />MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-89828063843604085302013-12-16T17:51:58.759+08:002013-12-16T17:51:58.759+08:00This is definitely THE most important issue for an...This is definitely <b>THE</b> most important issue for anyone that has been here for a long time, not married, and has to deal with visa issues after years of positive contributions (and tax payments) to this society. It is totally unfair that Taiwanese can hold dual citizenship, but foreigners can't.<br /><br />Of course, part of the unfairness in dual citizenship is America's fault. We allow dual citizenship primarily for Israelis, thereby letting Taiwanese and others squirm through this loophole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-56235151484354998412013-12-16T16:50:13.131+08:002013-12-16T16:50:13.131+08:00"Four Basic Food Groups"
What a curious...<i>"Four Basic Food Groups"</i><br /><br />What a curious typo; the political cannibalization of other people through ethnicity.Mike Faganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745281285031316740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-82725585790936538322013-12-16T16:29:23.045+08:002013-12-16T16:29:23.045+08:00Not too much before. The official discourse during...Not too much before. The official discourse during the martial law period had everyone in Taiwan being a part of the Chinese race. This is something Ma continues to assert. The divisions were between Han Chinese (Hoklo,Hakka and Waisheng) and the High Mountain Compatriots 山地同胞 or later High Mountain Race 高山族 or 台灣族. These constructs played into the racialist belief that the indigenous peoples of Taiwan and China were simply anachronously "backward" racial Chinese who had yet to be enlightened by Han culture. Hoklo and Hakka were merely subethnic groups of localized Han. Whereas the modernist Han Chinese were represented by the orthodoxy of state Waisheng culture. <br /><br />In 1986, as the KMT was losing its totalitarian grip on the official narrative, Taiwanese indigenes sparked one of the first movements for rights and recognition in Taiwan based on their unequal contact with the state. They felt they were not afforded equal rights as lesser Han under a Han chauvinist construct. The discrimination they felt in their contact with the state necessitated mobilization and the formation of the Aborigine as a collective identity. <br /><br />I see this as a model for what we are seeing or might see with a potential "foreigner" ethnic group. Because the state treats foreigners differently, it necessitates a greater level of protections. The problem is getting foreigners who are not used to feeling in need of social advocacy, to begin to understand how similar we are in our vulnerability and in our contact with state power. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-22083035170283465842013-12-16T16:00:24.063+08:002013-12-16T16:00:24.063+08:00It dates from long before that.
MichaelIt dates from long before that.<br /><br />MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-79464047444568944622013-12-16T15:13:11.704+08:002013-12-16T15:13:11.704+08:00The "Four Basic Food Groups" was a const...The "Four Basic Food Groups" was a construct that arose in the 1990's amid criticism of the KMT for their decades of state-Han chauvinism. The KMT needed to counter the inroads the DPP had made with localization and deflect the attacks coming from indigenous groups that had made international headway with UN participation. It was a defensive political move to retain power. Lee also used it to edge the KMT toward becoming a more localized party. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-88379552643005397452013-12-16T14:40:07.719+08:002013-12-16T14:40:07.719+08:00"...Taiwanese used the political construct of...<i>"...Taiwanese used the political construct of Four Ethnic Groups (Hoklo,Hakka,Waisheng,Aborigine) to sell the idea of a multicultural Taiwan. This construct is a mirage that still validates concepts of patrilineal descent and fails to a) account for the vast plurality in Taiwan, b) account for the high degree of intermarriage between groups, and c) fails to address the ethnic hierarchy that is still maintained to this day. "</i><br /><br />It is not clear to me what the context and <i>purpose</i> of this "four ethnicities" idea of a multicultural Taiwan was to begin with. Was it just an electoral gimmick by politicians? Is it something to be ingrained in the education of future generations of lawyers, judges and administrators? Is it something to be "sold" to the public in order somehow to reduce racism? Or something else and/or all of the above?<br /><br />In any case, whatever the metric used to judge the "failure" of that idea, it's a failed idea to my mind not not because it doesn't include sufficient ethnic differences among Taiwan's people, but because it takes ethnicity as its premise to begin with. <br /><br />All ethnicity does, it seems to me, is divide the population up into basically arbitrary groups and allow a government to play one off against another.<br /><br />If the aim is going to be to cultivate better lawyers, judges and administrators to reform Taiwan's institutions toward a greater degree of equality under the law - something more akin to the "rule of law" rather than "rule by law" - then surely we'd be better off just focusing on universal, individual rights, particularly property rights, and reject ethnicity from the discussion entirely.Mike Faganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745281285031316740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-52398881344031715432013-12-16T12:30:53.898+08:002013-12-16T12:30:53.898+08:00Free speech is great, anon, but it's not my po...Free speech is great, anon, but it's not my policy to let people post racist and colonialist and imperialist screeds. People with loving, human-centered value sytems don't want to read it, and it teaches nothing.<br /><br />Michael Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.com