tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post113126052268353678..comments2023-10-22T18:25:39.688+08:00Comments on The View from Taiwan: Friday, November 11, Taiwan Blog Round UpMichael Turtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1132060515579665872005-11-15T21:15:00.000+08:002005-11-15T21:15:00.000+08:00You recall incorrectly, I've never claimed that.Ge...You recall incorrectly, I've never claimed that.<BR/><BR/>Get your facts straight before you stoop to belittling your opponents.Taiwan's Other Sidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09502176430536810488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131931424257569932005-11-14T09:23:00.000+08:002005-11-14T09:23:00.000+08:00Simple as pie, Sun. As I recall, TOS's claim was t...Simple as pie, Sun. As I recall, TOS's claim was that the Taipei Times hadn't reported on the KMRT scandal. All you had to do is search Taipei Times' site and find the articles. TOS didn't do that. Dunno why.<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131888657399343972005-11-13T21:30:00.000+08:002005-11-13T21:30:00.000+08:00"I refuted easily then with a simple web search."P..."I refuted easily then with a simple web search."<BR/><BR/>Please, oh wise one, share with us the search string you used to prove that the English media is not overwhelmingly pro-green. Or is it locked up with all of Chen-Shui Bian's 'evidence'?Taiwan's Other Sidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09502176430536810488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131864922279808732005-11-13T14:55:00.000+08:002005-11-13T14:55:00.000+08:00"it is sad that the law isn't clear."No, it is ext..."it is sad that the law isn't clear."<BR/><BR/>No, it is extremely clear. direct and indirect, in any language. as long as we stick on legal terms.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/>"do you really think that the writers of the law intended that foreigners could own 100% of a local media outlet by setting up a dummy corporation for the express purpose of doing that? "<BR/><BR/>yes, i really think so. again, it is extremely clear.<BR/>forcing foreign ownership to be indirect serve some purpose, e.g. you can trace the liability and fund flow much better if you force them to set up a 100% domestic entity.<BR/><BR/>there is also good rationale.<BR/>1) terrestial TV (broadcast TV): very tight, no foreign control, because they r the msot influential<BR/>2) cable: foreign indirect+direct restricted to 49%.<BR/>3) satellite TV: well you have NHK and Phoenix and even CCTV which covers Taiwan anyway! what difference does it make by restricting TVBS?<BR/><BR/>In case of emergency, eg during war, to control CCTV you just have to ask teh cable TV operator to stop carrying the signals. and suddenly only those who have their own dish can have access to it. and they have access to all satellite TV is this world anyway.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/>what pasuya did was PERSECUTION and RETRIBUTION. no doubt about it.<BR/>he may justify it by ethic, but not by anyone who respect the rule of law.Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131857632484648802005-11-13T12:53:00.000+08:002005-11-13T12:53:00.000+08:00I once met Su Chi (蘇起) at a conference in where he...<I>I once met Su Chi (蘇起) at a conference in where he was an invited speaker. Speaking as representative of the KMT (he said this), he described in his amazing English how "...the KMT is committed to deepening democracy in Taiwan." -- he really said this.</I><BR/><BR/>LOL. Did anyone call him on that? I think by "deepening" he probably meant 'cast it into the abyss.'Michael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131857433315265302005-11-13T12:50:00.000+08:002005-11-13T12:50:00.000+08:00I mean, do you really think that the writers of th...I mean, do you really think that the writers of the law intended that foreigners could own 100% of a local media outlet by setting up a dummy corporation for the express purpose of doing that? <BR/><BR/>Dont' think so.<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131856586782499142005-11-13T12:36:00.000+08:002005-11-13T12:36:00.000+08:00I don't know what indirect means, Sun Bin, and it ...I don't know what indirect means, Sun Bin, and it is sad that the law isn't clear. Taiwan law frequently operates that way -- definitions are unclear and contradictory, and everyone interprets them their own way. But you know, nothing stopped the shareholders of TVBS from requesting clarification of the law prior to their end run around it -- and nobody forced them to file bogus paperwork with the government.<BR/><BR/>There is simply no question that any way you slice it, TVBS is 100% foreign owned by citizens of a nation bent on destroying Taiwan, and against the spirit of the law, as well as common sense about the security of Taiwan. That second paragraph there explains it clearly:<BR/><BR/><I>A careful look, however, reveals that the shareholders in Countless Entertainment are the same as those in Bermuda TVB Investment, and that both companies are registered at the same address. Although TVBS says that Bermuda TVB Investment owns shares in TVBS indirectly through Countless Entertainment, the fact is that the Hong Kong-based shareholders in Bermuda TVB Investment own 100 percent of TVBS.</I><BR/><BR/>There's no way to defend this, ethically (note that my last post says "ethically" not "legally" -- well paid lawyers can get anything made legal). Lost in the flap over the stupidity and venality of Pasuya Yao is this more important issue, which the KMT is doing its best to muddy. <BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131837319771825232005-11-13T07:15:00.000+08:002005-11-13T07:15:00.000+08:00Taipei Times is nut. it is written by a big idiot ...Taipei Times is nut. it is written by a big idiot trying to confuse people who do not have legal knowledge.<BR/><BR/>Just ask ANY lawyer.<BR/><BR/>by definition<BR/>Direct = what it shows on the company registration<BR/>Indirect = you can use a shadow company in the middle.<BR/><BR/>TVBS is INDIRECTLY 100% owned, by TBV(HK), via Bermuda/ ireland/ taiwan entities. but it is DIRECTLY 49% owned by foreign.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/>it was NOT a loophole, as Lin Cho-Tsui alleged. It was a guesture of openness for WTO by Taiwan.<BR/>Because, the definition was very clearly written on Cable TV, where indirectly ownership was limited explicitly.<BR/><BR/>Ask yourself this question. If what you and TT's definitio of 'direct' holds, WHAT DOES INDIRECT MEAN?<BR/><BR/>---<BR/>anyway, no use arguing legal issue if you want to bring politics on top. we will just wait to see the lawsuit.<BR/>CSB claearly understood the issue, he was either using pasuya to paly the idiot, or was happy to get rid of pasuya/hsieh.Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131805715657795832005-11-12T22:28:00.000+08:002005-11-12T22:28:00.000+08:00I am only going to comment on one thing. It is una...<I><BR/>I am only going to comment on one thing. It is unambigeous that satellite broadcast law clearly allows for indirect foreign ownership, by stating the limit on DIRECT foriegn ownership. (and also wirting unambigeuosly that indirect foreign ownerhship is limited for Cable TV).</I><BR/><BR/>Perhaps, but the papers filed for TVBS are clearly bogus. TVBS is not indirectly owned, it is directly owned through dummy companies, and in total violation of the law. As the Taipei Times pointed out (11/9)<BR/><BR/><I> TVB in Hong Kong has used Bermuda TVB Investment Co to set up a sister company, Countless Entertainment (Taiwan) Co, in Taiwan. Countless Entertainment holds a 53 percent stake in TVBS, and the Hong Kong-based Bermuda TVB holds the remaining 47 percent. Although the amount of shares that TVB holds in TVBS through Countless Entertainment exceeds 50 percent, that stake is indirectly held, and this would seem to avoid prohibition against a foreign company directly holding a majority of shares.<BR/><BR/>A careful look, however, reveals that the shareholders in Countless Entertainment are the same as those in Bermuda TVB Investment, and that both companies are registered at the same address. Although TVBS says that Bermuda TVB Investment owns shares in TVBS indirectly through Countless Entertainment, the fact is that the Hong Kong-based shareholders in Bermuda TVB Investment own 100 percent of TVBS.</I><BR/> <BR/>TVBS ownership is a scam, and no ethical person should be defending it, Sun Bin.<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael Turtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974403961870976346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131737500490589522005-11-12T03:31:00.000+08:002005-11-12T03:31:00.000+08:00TVBS, that is a load of biased view:)I am only goi...TVBS, that is a load of biased view:)<BR/><BR/>I am only going to comment on one thing. It is unambigeous that satellite broadcast law clearly allows for indirect foreign ownership, by stating the limit on DIRECT foriegn ownership. (and also wirting unambigeuosly that indirect foreign ownerhship is limited for Cable TV).<BR/><BR/>There will be a lawsuit. Pasuya and Hsieh will be in deep deep sh1t. Maybe that is what CSB wanted to see.<BR/>DPP gained nothing on this issue, since NCC will call in legal expert and reverse the verdict soon.Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131737030549266382005-11-12T03:23:00.000+08:002005-11-12T03:23:00.000+08:00The list Taiwan needs to give up if declaring inde...The list Taiwan needs to give up if declaring independence<BR/>1. kinmen and matsu<BR/>2. maybe taiping in spratly<BR/>3. maybe dongsha (this one is negotiable) since it is also close to kaohsiung<BR/>4. all the treasure in the Palace Museum<BR/>5. some 40 shiploads of gold KMT embezzled in 1949 + interests<BR/><BR/>OTOH, all these would be allowed to stay if it negotiate for a unification/federation. in addition, mainland would even help taiwan to get more of spratly and share the oil $, and diaoyu (oil as well) for the fishermen in keelung and yilan.<BR/>-- mainland has agreed to be 'non-aggressive', but taiwan has nothing to lose diplomatically, it can use its navy to get these islands. buy more destroyers and battleships :)Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131732597358285822005-11-12T02:09:00.000+08:002005-11-12T02:09:00.000+08:00Just curious about how much of Taiwan's problem wi...Just curious about how much of Taiwan's problem with speed in implementing HSR or what not is due to land problems whereas maybe China can simply appropriate what it needs. Just a thought.<BR/><BR/>Vibrator use: There is a reason that phones with long battery life sell well to women. Actually, I once was in a sex shop looking for "foreign" condoms, and the lady running it said many couples came to buy vibrators. There sure are a lot of those shops.<BR/><BR/>Congratulations on another tour de force!Red Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699964464336470134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131730736695035112005-11-12T01:38:00.000+08:002005-11-12T01:38:00.000+08:00wow, that's what I call a round-up.wow, that's what I call a round-up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10698887.post-1131721671789143732005-11-11T23:07:00.000+08:002005-11-11T23:07:00.000+08:00I once met Su Chi (蘇起) at a conference in where he...I once met Su Chi (蘇起) at a conference in where he was an invited speaker. Speaking as representative of the KMT (he said this), he described in his amazing English how "...the KMT is committed to deepening democracy in Taiwan." -- he really said this.<BR/><BR/>I guess that's why they keep killing every piece of legislation the DPP proposes.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I learned about all the news that Dr. Su referred to by reading the English newspapers, most particularly the Taipei Times. Even after reading his explanation in today's Taipei Times, I'm not really sure what he was getting at.<BR/><BR/>Scott Sommers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com